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Offline waystin2

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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2013, 09:43:43 AM »
The trick is to shoot it right down the barrel or right thru the drivers view slot. :aok
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2013, 09:47:55 AM »
The trick is to shoot it right down the barrel or right thru the drivers view slot. :aok

Nope. The bug I talk about works from both rear and front and most likely in every type of tank in the game. I'm not going to detail it before HTC fixes it, then I'll post the video :)
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 02:07:18 PM »
Update: Did some more testing and this thing definately works only when on field guns. Ostwind couldn't scratch the Tiger from the same position.
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 02:09:29 PM »
Is it at every range or just close range? Not that big of a deal...seeing as how field guns get owned by tanks sitting 2K away.

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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 02:26:43 PM »
Is it at every range or just close range? Not that big of a deal...seeing as how field guns get owned by tanks sitting 2K away.

I could test it from D200 and D600 but I can confirm that I've killed tanks using the field gun much longer away. I just didn't realize that even Tigers could be so weak against it if you hit the right spot.

The spot is wide but maybe a few pixels tall so further away it will be increasingly hard to repeatedly hit it.
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 11:50:25 PM »
I asked you never to share my phone number  :old:
At least I didn't include the area code  :old:

So that's why I never killed one. I always rounded down, forgot it took an extra .1 shots!
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 12:02:48 AM »
Yesterday I confirmed that M8 with AP shells can actually kill a Tiger the same way as the field gun can, with just 4 hits. There are two 'soft' positions which you can hit, others just bounce.
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2013, 07:44:11 AM »
If this is true, I really hope HTC fixes this bug.  Some things just shouldnt happen.
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2013, 07:46:51 AM »
If this is true, I really hope HTC fixes this bug.  Some things just shouldnt happen.

The problem is not a big one - you need to hit a piece of the tank that's maybe a few pixels tall. Practically impossible to do repeatedly if the enemy moves or there's typical combat distance. If you manage to sneak behind a Tiger then it's a whole different story though :)
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2013, 07:50:56 AM »
The problem is not a big one - you need to hit a piece of the tank that's maybe a few pixels tall. Practically impossible to do repeatedly if the enemy moves or there's typical combat distance. If you manage to sneak behind a Tiger then it's a whole different story though :)
Really? Because in another thread a guy was 10 foot away in a M8 shooting at the rear of a tiger and nothing.... :headscratch:

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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 11:00:02 AM »
Really? Because in another thread a guy was 10 foot away in a M8 shooting at the rear of a tiger and nothing.... :headscratch:

M8 vs Tiger thread


If you know where to shoot the Tiger blows up from 4 hits with M8. Hit literally any other spot and the round bounces.
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2013, 07:50:41 AM »
2 questions: is it reasonable for a T34 (85) to one-shot a Tiger 1 from 12:00? (about 11-1200)

 The Panther: is it not supposed to have incredibly thick frontal armor? I'm forever losing these things from to frontal shots
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2013, 08:18:23 AM »
2 questions: is it reasonable for a T34 (85) to one-shot a Tiger 1 from 12:00? (about 11-1200)

 The Panther: is it not supposed to have incredibly thick frontal armor? I'm forever losing these things from to frontal shots

I've always maintained that there are 2 trump cards in the tank game that most people forget about: range and angle of impact.  Also, while the data of the AP make state something the one thing that is not made mention of is the ability of the round to cause damage once it defeats the armor.  A person can do everything right "on paper" and somehow in game it does not add up. Case in point is the T34/85, that thing on paper has an AP behind the Panzer IV H, M4/76mm (and M18), and only a few mm ahead of the Panzer IV F/2, yet is is able to pull off some amazing shots, certainly the weight of the projectile has something to do with it.

The Panther is actually safer vs some tanks up close (1000 yd) vs further away (1600-2000).  Why?  Angle of impact. Take a look at the Panther's frontal armor. It is 80mm thick.  The Panzer IV also has 80mm frontal armor.  However, the Panther's armor is sloped back at an angle which facilitates 2 things: it allows for a great chance of deflection and it artificially thickens the armor.  When the Panther is closer and the trajectory of the incoming round is more flat the round has a better chance of being deflected.  But back the Panther up to 1600-2000 yards and increase the trajectory and the angle of impact is much closer to 90° that what it was at 1000 yards. At some point the incoming rounds are not going to be able to defeat 80mm of armor and when that happens the Panther is in its "safe" zone.  It certainly is not always as easy as "tank A vs tank B". 

At 2000 yards the Panzer IV H can defeat 98mm of armor.  At 1000 yards the same tank can defeat 115mm of armor.  If I'm in a Panther I'd rather take a few hits to my hull from 1000 yards than 2000 yards, more often than not the incoming rounds go skyward.   
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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2013, 09:54:12 AM »
SmokinLoon, like this?

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Re: GV Armor quiz
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2013, 10:59:51 AM »
I noticed this too, hitting the frontal armor on a tiger using an osti, all shots bounce off, I actually ended up turreting myself in the process by being hit with a ricochet :noid
EXCEPT, there is a spot on the frontal armor of a tiger where the shots do penetrate. I didn't test the rear and I was shooting almost point blank.