47m vs 47n

[Zacherof]

Besides the change in the wing designs for the n, what other differences are there between the 2. Mike model feels more fightable for a lack of a better term. And I'm referring to knife fighting, not BnZ

[Karnak]

The N was intended to escort B-29s to Japan, in other words the N is a flying gas tank with the associated improvement in operational range.

The N can also carry ordnance, which is sometimes useful.

[Zacherof]

I now know at this time I should have specified what I was looking for. Let me rephrase, does the n act differently due to the extra weight, and is the mike model a better dog fighter. I feel like the N just doesn't do as well as the M. Flaps feel less capable.

[Paladin3]

All jugs feel heavy to me (probably from flying a Pony so much) but the Mary seems much better than any others. Even when I am low on fuel (which is not when you fight a bunch because of the gas hog nature of many 47s) it just feels like a flying brick to me. It is not nearly as quick and I am always low on energy - not that I am the best at e management, but I am not the worst either.

[bj229r]

N accelerates faster in dive, seems to have more rudder and elevator effect....does lil better at low speed. M overall much better fighter.....kinda like La7 with 50's  (N also a brick without wep, so don't go into a fight with over-heated engine)

[FLS]

You can add fuel to the M so it's closer to the N weight, then it's easier to compare them.

[JUGgler]

The "M" accelerates better

The "N" holds energy better
has better rudder authority
floats much better
rolls better
is a more stable gun platform
and basically owns the "M" in all things but running 
it also does all this more gracefully than the "M"
and so it is sexier, which counts for a lot 


 


JUGgler

[LilMak]

The M is faster and will hang on the prop longer. It's essentially a D-40 with a high power engine.

The N was designed as an escort fighter for long range missions to Japan. Slightly slower than the M in a WEP drag race. Seems a little better going down hill than the M.

The key to both is WEP. When it runs out, the M is a more capable dog fighter and the N becomes the biggest brick of the P-47 line. Last time I brought down Juggler (rare occurance) in his N, it was because he ran out of WEP.

In summary, M is better if you want to go up. N is better if you want to go down. All either will let you do vs any other jug is escape some fights where you'd normally get run down.

[Zacherof]

Alright thanks

[Randy1]

I watched Redbull one day throw around a P47N on the deck as if it were a spit. 

I spent a lot of time on the P47M.  Pop the flaps at the top of the loop or near the bottom and you are golden.  Pop the flaps in a turn and you had better make the shot.  The N is the same but damn that weight.  And be willing to use that high speed dive to seek a better position in both. 

  The N is a slick plane for sure but even with 25% fuel it still weighs a lot.  The N climb rate even with 25% fuel is awful where as the M and the D40 can with WEP be real good although still way short of a spit as an example.   The M accelerates well with wep and to me a little faster than the N with 25% fuel although I have not timed it..  If you get caught climbing in the N, it want pitch over as fast as the M.  The M snaps rolls better than the N and rolls quicker.

I have just in the last couple of days moved to the P38.  The P47M stick time really helped with the P38 albeit I have embarrassed myself by augering in a couple of times, maybe even three in the P38 after forgetting the 38 has limited dive speeds as compared to the 47.

Try the M, it can teach you a lot.

[Krusty]

M and N have the exact same engine. The exact same horsepower.

N has a heavier dry weight, just from the wing and hardware...

N has squared wingtips, but also plugs in the wingroots to extend wingspan slightly. This means overall it has a bigger wing area. Often this is not much of a benefit because of the extra weight, but I am sure there are some circumstances when you're stalling out with full flaps that this plane will do better than the M will.

N guns are slightly wider apart. The extra plugs of wing are added at the wing root. Shouldn't matter too much, but to be noted as a difference. Hit at convergence and you'll still hit.

Only real differences when folks claim the M is faster, accelerates better, or hangs on prop better, are often due to fuel weight in the loadout. M never flew with AH's ficticious overload-ammo setting, and I don't think they ever flew with 8 guns. Try it with 6 guns+267rpg and the weight savings will really make it shine. M vs N, the M will always have a slight edge, but this is based almost entirely on weight savings. If you get a heavy M and a light N, the tables can turn.



That said, this is just a hypothetical matchup between and M and an N. They're really close enough that (all other things being equal) it will come down to pilot ability. Very generally speaking, take the M to dogfight, and take the N for long range escorts, ground pounding, or multi-role missions.

[Zacherof]

I'm going to have to try the smaller gun package then. never thought about that

[SmokinLoon]

M and N have the exact same engine. The exact same horsepower.

N has a heavier dry weight, just from the wing and hardware...

N has squared wingtips, but also plugs in the wingroots to extend wingspan slightly. This means overall it has a bigger wing area. Often this is not much of a benefit because of the extra weight, but I am sure there are some circumstances when you're stalling out with full flaps that this plane will do better than the M will.

N guns are slightly wider apart. The extra plugs of wing are added at the wing root. Shouldn't matter too much, but to be noted as a difference. Hit at convergence and you'll still hit.

Only real differences when folks claim the M is faster, accelerates better, or hangs on prop better, are often due to fuel weight in the loadout. M never flew with AH's ficticious overload-ammo setting, and I don't think they ever flew with 8 guns. Try it with 6 guns+267rpg and the weight savings will really make it shine. M vs N, the M will always have a slight edge, but this is based almost entirely on weight savings. If you get a heavy M and a light N, the tables can turn.

That said, this is just a hypothetical matchup between and M and an N. They're really close enough that (all other things being equal) it will come down to pilot ability. Very generally speaking, take the M to dogfight, and take the N for long range escorts, ground pounding, or multi-role missions.

There ya have it.  It could not have been said any better. 

[LilMak]

Leave the ammo in the hangar if you like but leaving the extra guns is a mistake in my opinion. The gun weight is an afterthought to a plane that weighs over 10000lbs.

[SmokinLoon]

Leave the ammo in the hangar if you like but leaving the extra guns is a mistake in my opinion. The gun weight is an afterthought to a plane that weighs over 10000lbs.

I look at it one of 2 ways: If I'm going in to a furball and the wee bit less weight may make a legit difference in my ability to maneuver, etc, then I will leave the extra guns and ammo behind.  However, in the case of the long range/high alt escort duty or the ground-pounder role I will always take the extra guns and ammo.  While flying escort in most cases your shots will be at high speeds and a gun solution will only be available for a split second and that calls for the maximum amount of damage in the shortest amount of time. I also set my convergence out a wee bit further than typical for me because I will take the "deterrent" shot at greater than normal distance to get an interceptor to break.  In the case of ground pounding there should be no explanation needed.   

The P47x is a versatile plane without a doubt.