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Offline Tracerfi

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KI.45
« on: February 02, 2013, 06:33:39 AM »
Does this Plane have any chance getting added I found a link http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/Japanese.htm
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 11:11:40 AM »
Without looking at information up, I do believe that the performance and capabilities of the Ki-45 is very close to the 110C-4.  Dual 20mm's and quad .30 caliber MG's make up the gun package, and a pair of 250 kg bombs is about it, iirc.

It would be nice to have for scenarios as the Japanese did use it effectively as a mud mover rather than an interceptor and it would make an appearance I'm sure.

This biggest thing would be once the Ki-45 "Nick" is added, a great many of the dweebs who call the N1K2 "George" the Nikki or Nick will cause massed confusion because the of the new plane.  For that reason alone I think HTC should not add in the Ki-45.   ;)
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 11:15:57 AM »
This biggest thing would be once the Ki-45 "Nick" is added, a great many of the dweebs who call the N1K2 "George" the Nikki or Nick will cause massed confusion because the of the new plane.  For that reason alone I think HTC should not add in the Ki-45.   ;)
The name means nothing if there is confusion so be it, all i was asking was if it fits the criteria
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 11:22:26 AM »
The name means nothing if there is confusion so be it, all i was asking was if it fits the criteria

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Yes, yes it does.  Look up at how many were made, look up to see if it saw combat, and look up that it served in a legit sized unit. 
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 11:24:33 AM »
In early 1937 Kawasaki designed the Ki-38 to meet a specification for a twin-engine long-range fighter inspired in part by the German Bf 110 fighter. Testing of this mock-up resulted in so many changes that a complete redesign was started. The Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu (Dragon-Killer) was a result of this project, with the first prototype being flown in January 1939. Further testing showed problems with the landing gear and that the engine was not powerful enough, and after extensive development the type finally entered production in September of 1941. The Ki-45 entered service in August of 1942 and saw its first combat in October of 1942, receiving the Allied codename of "Nick". In addition to the heavy fighter role, the Nick was developed in alternate versions that included ground attack, anti-shipping, and night fighter. It was in the later role that the Ki-45 proved to be one of the most successful Japanese night fighters. The Nick remained in service until the end of the war, and even had the claim to fame that the type was used in the first kamikaze attack of the war on May 27, 1944Type:           Heavy Fighter / Ground Attack / Night Fighter
Service:    Japanese Army Air Force (JAAF)
Crew:           2 (Pilot and gunner)
Armament:       two obliquely mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon
      one ventral 37 mm Ho-203 cannon
      one rear-firing flexible 7.92 mm Type 98 machine gun
      two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs externally
Reference:    Francillon: 93, Mondey: 141

Specifications:
        Length:         36' 1" (11 m)
        Height:         12' 1.75" (3.7 m)
        Wingspan:       49' 3.25" (15.02 m)
        Wing area:      344.444 sq. ft (32 sq. m)
        Empty Weight:   8818 lbs (4000 kg)
        Loaded Weight:  12125 lbs (5500 kg)

Propulsion:
        No. of Engines: 2
        Powerplant:     Mitsubishi Ha-102 14-cylinder radial
        Horsepower:     1050 hp each

Performance:
        Range (normal): 1243 miles (2000 km)
        Range (max):    1347 miles (2168 km)
        Cruise Speed:   n/a
        Max Speed:      335.5 mph (540 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m)
        Climb to/in:    16,405 ft (5000 m) in 7 min 0 sec
        Ceiling:        32,810 ft (10,000 m)
Production:      approximately 1701 Ki-45s total.  This is all the info on it from the website
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 01:03:37 PM »
Look up at how many were made, look up to see if it saw combat, and look up that it served in a legit sized unit. 

I suggest you look it up. Ki-45 was one of the workhorses of IJAAF.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 01:44:24 PM »
I suggest you look it up. Ki-45 was one of the workhorses of IJAAF.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 02:57:34 PM »
Wmaker,

SmokinLoon was saying the Ki-45 was valid.

Ohh, re-read the thread and still can't see it. Must be the alcohol...

Anyway,

Ki-45 was one of the work horses as I said, saw action Chine, SEA and so on.

Ten Sentais, almost 1700 produced and so on. Certainly wouldn't be the top dog in the MA but I'd have fun with it.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 03:01:14 PM »
The name means nothing if there is confusion so be it, all i was asking was if it fits the criteria

What criteria? as far as i know. there is no criteria. only what Pyro and HiTech feel like adding to the game. but i do believe they have plans to add this aircraft.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 03:02:26 PM »
Ohh, re-read the thread and still can't see it. Must be the alcohol...

Quote from: Tracerfi

 The name means nothing if there is confusion so be it, all i was asking was if it fits the criteria


 

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Yes, yes it does.  

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Re: KI.45
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 11:02:28 PM »
I'm curious about weather it was made to similar specs as the 110, or if the Japanese went for their classic paper thin paneling. If they did then it stands to reason that it would handle quite a bit better than the 110, but with the same savage load out on the front.

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Re: KI.45
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 06:03:52 AM »

 

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Sober now, now I see it. :)

My apologies SmokinLoon! :salute


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It was a significant combat type for the IJAAF but of course Ki-43 should precede it.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 06:10:11 AM »
I'm curious about weather it was made to similar specs as the 110, or if the Japanese went for their classic paper thin paneling. If they did then it stands to reason that it would handle quite a bit better than the 110, but with the same savage load out on the front.

It weights quite a bit less than 110C and has clearly better power loading as a result. The wing loadings are very close, 110C has slats though.
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Re: KI.45
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 05:49:03 PM »
It weights quite a bit less than 110C and has clearly better power loading as a result. The wing loadings are very close, 110C has slats though.

So then in a dogfight, it would turn better, and accelerate better but would most likely loose a wing if it hit a bird.

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Re: KI.45
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 05:59:26 PM »
Wmaker,

SmokinLoon was saying the Ki-45 was valid.

Thank you.   :aok

I'd like to see the Nick, it would certainly fill a gap in the Japanese plane set.  Just like the Ki-43 Oscar.   :) 
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