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Offline Krusty

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 09:00:24 PM »
I am so glad to see me-410 skins, but I am sad that the first new one shown wasn't a German one.

I don't know much about the Hungarian air force/etc but it does look very pretty.

I have some German ones in the works, too. My second one is German. I would like to do a number of them but the new C2s may sidetrack me a bit.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 04:59:46 AM »
The more I look at that skin, the cooler it gets.

Krusty, how many hours does it take you to finish a skin like that?
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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 12:57:26 PM »
It really depends on the amount of detail in the skin. This has a special camo on it which required a lot more time to get right. It also is the first 410 I've done and the first skin of any plane takes more time. Following skins can use the first as a template, saving some time.

This one's taking longer because of issues with the spec and bump mapping that have been annoying me.

I think once I'm totally done with this skin I can churn out half a dozen more 410s that I really want. I just have to finish this first to iron out all the kinks.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 04:28:29 PM »
The more I look at that skin, the cooler it gets.

Krusty, how many hours does it take you to finish a skin like that?

Just to give you an idea, it took me 4-6 hours to get my lines and rivets about done.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 04:46:34 PM »
Just to give you an idea, it took me 4-6 hours to get my lines and rivets about done.
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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 05:47:36 PM »
What are you skinning, Fuji?

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I am messing around with an "orphaned" skin. I don't know if I'll have time to finish it due to my time issues now that Im back to work. Hopefully I'll be able to work on it more, if not and someone else does it, no big deal.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 07:14:20 PM »
Any luck on this yet? (I don't see any 410 skins anywhere).

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2013, 02:10:36 AM »
I am at an impasse. I can't get the software to do what I need it to do to create the proper file I need for the spec and bump layers. I can't finish the skin without them.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2013, 08:44:09 AM »
What are you trying to get the software to do?

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2013, 11:51:29 PM »
Give me a solid fill. Instead I'm getting dithering or some such which renders an absolutely hideous spec map and bump map.

The thread I started: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345588.0.html

Tried a number of variations in procedures/steps taken, downsizing color first, then filling, and down sampling to greyscale after editing, before and after merging layers, etc.

I'm really hating Photoshop these days. I miss PS5. It just won't run in Win7, though. I'm pretty sure it would let me get this done because I believe I had to do some similar things with the purple mask color on some old 1st Gen skins.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 03:18:44 PM »
Sorry but I can't really help you with Photoshop as I use Paint Shop Pro. Personally I work in greyscale from the start with the bump and spec maps. I start by importing the skin bmp as a layer into my greyscaled image file to line everything up with and then any other layers that I can use from the skin image file. The program automatically converts colour layers to greyscale. All I have to do is save the file as a bmp whenever I want to see the results in the viewer, no conversion needed.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2013, 02:22:26 AM »
Although my progress has been set back many months, it seems I can keep working on it. Trying to go between GIMP and CS5 accidentally lost me a lot of work and I had to go back and re-do what I'd already done, but based on the comment from the other thread somebody suggested where I can change some settings in the color options of CS5 and it seems to work.

I really dislike CS5 compared to PS 5.1. The options are all hidden and jumbled around, it's not as simple and user friendly, and they changed how the program handles layer blending (defaulting to 8-bit? Blech!!) and down-sampling. Case in point it was force-dithering every time. There's an option under color settings that I think was the culprit: "Use Dither (8-bit/channel images)?" which among other settings I changed. It now seems to allow me to do what I want. You have to hit "more options" to even see it as checkbox to uncheck, which is lame to the extreme...


Anyways, I'm trying to re-acquaint myself with where I left off. I need to do some more work on details and keep tweaking the weathering (exhaust and stains are much better now!) but what's really annoying is my guess-work with how I want to adjust the bumpmat.txt file. I've been trying out a lot of settings. Also toying with levels on the specmap. Making exhausts reflect the least, the oil leaks reflect more, the default camo reflect medium, and the field-sprayed camo to reflect more (as if it were fresher, not dulled by time and the elements). It's a bit of a guessing game as well. Sometimes it doesn't seem to turn out how I imagine it will. Oh well. Progress is progress.


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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2013, 02:25:17 AM »
More angles, trying to catch the light at different points to see if that helps show off the spec and bump mapping...

Also a fairly close up high res shot for some of the details.

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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2013, 08:50:32 AM »
I like the paint scheme, but the exhaust stains look much to dark, more like oil spills.
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Re: Me410 skin: 1/102 RHAF ZO+20 (Me210Ca-1)
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2013, 12:00:32 PM »
Can I get an opinion on the actual oil stains?

I was using some actual 410 photos for the area and dispersion of the exhaust staining, but I think I made them a tad too dark. I need to tweak it or do something.