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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #645 on: February 26, 2015, 03:33:48 PM »
No shocker there.... much of the community has taken that route.

The days where veteran pilots took poorer performing aircraft as a challenge are long since over. Now, the experienced guys fly the late war monsters in the MA and (worse yet) in scenarios. Instead of 'fortune favors the bold', Aces High is more akin to 'fortune favors those that take no chances or risks at all' (and later brag about it on the forums).

Not everyone does, even some players that are really slow learners:

Out of 71 fighters, these are my 10 fighters with the least kills, all-time:

62. B-239 - 108
63. Typhoon - 107
64. F4U-1A - 107
65. 190D-9 - 105
66. Spit XVI - 104
67. Spit VIII - 103
68. P-51D - 101
69. F4U-4 - 101
70. F4U-1C - 100
71. Tempest -100


The P-38G, P-39D and P-40E are all in my top 10 (pats self on back, while waiting for a cookie).  :banana:




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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #646 on: February 27, 2015, 05:37:42 AM »
This time, a rather boring one. It's only getting somewhat interesting when diverging from the standard "Ship Gunner /P-51D/FW 190D" routine:



The numbers are for 2014 LW arena, and please note that "Ship Gunner" actually comprises of all types of manned ack guns.


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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #647 on: February 27, 2015, 07:15:33 AM »
Ship gunning needs to be perked  :old:
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #648 on: February 27, 2015, 07:56:48 AM »
Formation fombers?  What's that? :devil

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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #649 on: February 27, 2015, 08:39:06 AM »
Formation fombers?  What's that?


"Fombers" is exactly what I call them when they shoot me down.

Or something very similar to that.

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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #650 on: February 27, 2015, 10:01:13 AM »
Formation fombers?  What's that? :devil

Three kills  :old:
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #651 on: March 01, 2015, 04:45:46 PM »
One reason for the shift towards faster planes could be the way the perks values are set. Turn fighters have a lower ENY value than they should have. For ex the Brewster and the 109F has the same ENY and thats the same for seafire and 109K. Seafire has also a lower ENY than spit IX so its clear that the TnB:ers are "penalized" for their ability to turn.
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #652 on: March 01, 2015, 04:48:14 PM »
ENY is more complex than that.
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #653 on: March 01, 2015, 05:20:15 PM »
Of course, but it says something about how a specific strength are "valued". Gun package, ords, speed etc.
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« Reply #654 on: March 01, 2015, 05:25:58 PM »
ENY is not only about at to air capability. It's also very much about air to ground (and thus about it's impact on the 'war' game), usage, arena success (KD) and partly about availability of other planes (in the CV environment). It's a lot of considerations rolled into one single value being used for very different purposes (perk gain determination and arena control)
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2015, 05:43:55 PM »
Yes, and u can use ENY to push the game towards more turn fighting by lowering ENY on speed monsters. But it was just a thought, LA-7 and P-51 are already ENY 5 so it hard to lower them more. Depends on how much u can change it but one idea could be that ENY could change with popularity (except for perk rides) and that less popular plane gets an higher ENY. Could give the less popular rides a chance.
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #656 on: March 01, 2015, 08:21:00 PM »
Yes, and u can use ENY to push the game towards more turn fighting by lowering ENY on speed monsters. But it was just a thought, LA-7 and P-51 are already ENY 5 so it hard to lower them more. Depends on how much u can change it but one idea could be that ENY could change with popularity (except for perk rides) and that less popular plane gets an higher ENY. Could give the less popular rides a chance.

The p51D, 190D, and La7 are all ready the most used planes. The ENY in the hanger was designed for that. If you fly a 109G2 or spitV in the MA, you get more perks if you shoot down newer and better aircrafts like the P51.
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #657 on: March 02, 2015, 08:42:08 AM »
The following chart is based on a quite bold interpretation of the data available. By using the A2A (K+D) as a 'usage' metric and combining that with the individual top speeds at sea level, I tried to determine if the players are faster fighters these days. The result:

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Analysis:
The Spitfire is a connecting plane. It connects the turny world with the fast plane set. When lots of Spits are around, their speed is fast enough to force planes into turn fights, and Spit pilots are not afraid to engage in Turn fights. With the increase in turn fighting, there is good results to be had with a more turny bird (hurri, Ki-84, N1ki, Zeke, P-40, 109F, etc.  But when the Spit population declines, the rest turny set is too slow to catch the Stangs, Jugs, Dora, La7 croud so players abandon the turny planes altogether and jump in Faster rides in an attempt to force action.

The Theory:
1) I think move to faster planes has been caused by the decline in spit fire use, which happened for its own reason. That reason is the "easy mode" reputation/Mocking in combination with increased player experience levels. As players progress they move away from the Spit into something more challenging. I think the experience level of the average player is gowing over the past few years because there are less new players to the game. IThese more experinced players begin to look for new challenges, such as the achievement system, GV-ing etc.

2) Also a contributing factor is the large rise in GV-ing. This has cause a shift in the planes set to more bombers and heavy fighters for bombing GVs. The American Plane set of F4Us, Pony's. Lightnings, Jugs, and P-38s are ideal for bombing GVs. They are also Faster and harder to catch so you need to bring your K4, Dora, La7 to kill them.

3) The increased GV action seems to coincide with more Base-Taking fights, than Furball Fights. If you're taking a base you bring Attack/Fighters like Pony's, F4Us Typhies, etc..and Bombers. Requiring faster planes catch diving, bomb dropping fighters.

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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #658 on: March 02, 2015, 08:45:48 AM »
At low alt the Ki-84 is just as fast as any Spitfire other than the XIV.
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Re: Lusches AH Stats Megathread
« Reply #659 on: March 02, 2015, 08:59:47 AM »
Analysis:
The Spitfire is a connecting plane. It connects the turny world with the fast plane set. When lots of Spits are around, their speed is fast enough to force planes into turn fights, and Spit pilots are not afraid to engage in Turn fights. With the increase in turn fighting, there is good results to be had with a more turny bird (hurri, Ki-84, N1ki, Zeke, P-40, 109F, etc.

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The P-40 can TnB fairly well against many of the faster planes, but is in deep against those you mentioned.  You need to be a much better pilot to beat one of those planes with a P-40 in anything near an even fight.
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