Redbull P38 & Corsair

[Bodhi]

As far as I was aware, it does not fly under the FAA regs.  It flies under the Austrian regs.

From my point of view, being experimental is definitely detrimental to being limited or standard category.  That said, there is simply no way around it for some aircraft.

[-tronski-]

A FG-1D and 6 friends in NZ last month http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxq_JhMIFe8

 Tronsky

[Bodhi]

That is a great illustration of the torque on the Mossie as it takes off!

[cpxxx]

As far as I was aware, it does not fly under the FAA regs.  It flies under the Austrian regs.

Actually it's still registered as N25Y, so it does still operate under FARs. It's quite common for to keep aircraft on the N register outside the USA. Red Bull is the beneficial owner but not the actual owner. A US entity must be the owner. What will happen is that the local aviation authority will usually act on behalf of the FAA in terms of oversight.

A friend of mine keeps his Cardinal on the FAA register. Avoids a certain amount of the bureacratic BS you get on this side of the pond. 

[cpxxx]

Actually it's still registered as N25Y, so it does still operate under FARs. It's quite common for to keep aircraft on the N register outside the USA. Red Bull is the beneficial owner but not the actual owner. A US entity must be the owner. Non US citizens/companies cannot own an N registered aircraft. What will happen is that the local aviation authority will usually act on behalf of the FAA in terms of oversight.

A friend of mine keeps his Cardinal on the FAA register. Avoids a certain amount of the bureacratic BS you get on this side of the pond. 

[Bodhi]

It shows it as owned by AIRCRAFT GUARANTY CORP TRUSTEE.

I am sure that Red Bull has it this way for a variety of reasons of which legal shielding is probably the highest.


It is registered experimental which makes sense considering the modifications.  I believe only F4's and F5's can get standard category registrations, but it has been a while since I looked into it.

[cpxxx]

It shows it as owned by AIRCRAFT GUARANTY CORP TRUSTEE.

I am sure that Red Bull has it this way for a variety of reasons of which legal shielding is probably the highest.


It is registered experimental which makes sense considering the modifications.  I believe only F4's and F5's can get standard category registrations, but it has been a while since I looked into it.

Yes it would be quite difficult, if not impossible to get anything experimental onto the EASA system. But even fairly straightforward STCs on fully certified aircraft would just cause a blizzard of paperwork if you try to register on the European system.

There are a number of companies that offer trusts for foreign based N-reg aircraft. All legit and above board. But irritating to the bureaucrats. Quite a few bizjets operate on the FAA register. Say what you like about the FAA, but the US system is far more practical than in most countries.

[Babalonian]

Point being, you could invest a fortune and tear up a perfectly legitimate certificate - OR find another P-38 (or most of one) in a barn or buried in a ditch somewhere that already needs a fortune to be A) restored and B) re-certificated.  I'd personaly go for the later, not only do you end up with two flying P-38s, but one guarenteed to be better than the other (in one person's eyes or another).

[Bodhi]

It is always in the eye of beholder Babylonian.  I am not into air racing with warbirds.  It does not mean that I do not respect what the sport did.  Were it not for the racers, most of these aircraft would have been long ago scrapped.  As for digging aircraft out of ditches, that is going to be less and less feasible as time goes by.  The P-38's at Westpac right now are some very interesting examples of "true" combat veterans that will be restored to 100% as produced, with some concessions to meet FAR's. 

The latter are more attractive than the former to me, but, it is the history I crave and what it represents.

[Zacherof]

Is it me or do the props seem to be revolving really slow

[Puma44]

That is a great illustration of the torque on the Mossie as it takes off!

In reality, it's a an illustration of the effect of crosswind during takeoff. 

[icepac]

I'm just glad they are doing something productive with thier riches.....while they can....which will benefit all airplane fans for long after redbull has lost it's market share.

[SilverZ06]

Point being, you could invest a fortune and tear up a perfectly legitimate certificate - OR find another P-38 (or most of one) in a barn or buried in a ditch somewhere that already needs a fortune to be A) restored and B) re-certificated.  I'd personaly go for the later, not only do you end up with two flying P-38s, but one guarenteed to be better than the other (in one person's eyes or another).

Can you point me to a ditch or barn that I can find a P-38 in to take home?

[Babalonian]

Is it me or do the props seem to be revolving really slow

...and backwards.     They (usually) always do in videos.

Can you point me to a ditch or barn that I can find a P-38 in to take home?

Where were you and/or a financial backer four-years ago!?       http://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-38/42-66534.html