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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #135 on: March 12, 2013, 09:04:31 PM »
LOL!! You are always pissing on every thread not I sir.....

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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #136 on: March 13, 2013, 03:45:49 PM »
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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #137 on: March 13, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »



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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2013, 03:00:39 PM »
 I'm with Oldman on CR-32...what a beauty.

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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2013, 03:03:37 PM »
Cr.32 does have a certain style to it, but outside of very limited use in the BOB and minor use in the BoF, it was relegated to  second-tier duties. It essentially became a ground strafer in the deserts of Italy. Using 2x 12.7mm Breda-SAFAT guns and maybe (not always) 100kg-ish bombs it would attack soft targets. These planes, while made in quantity, were obsolete before the war started, and replaced almost instantly.

It's like the RAF use of Gladiators.... The plane has style, but very little impact on WW2 as a whole. I wouldn't mind seeing it once all the major players are there, but there are so many others needed well before it's even on the long list.

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« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2013, 03:09:20 PM »
The next Italian aircraft, in my opinion, should clearly be the SM.79-II.
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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #141 on: March 15, 2013, 06:36:31 PM »
The next Italian aircraft, in my opinion, should clearly be the SM.79-II.

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« Reply #142 on: March 15, 2013, 06:51:41 PM »
The next Italian aircraft, in my opinion, should clearly be the SM.79-II.

I fully agree.  Italians need a bomber. :D
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« Reply #143 on: March 15, 2013, 06:54:42 PM »
The next Italian aircraft, in my opinion, should clearly be the SM.79-II.

I concur.
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« Reply #144 on: March 15, 2013, 08:01:52 PM »
I'm torn... While I agree the Sm79 is #1 on the Italian list... I think it shares a tied slot with the C.200.

No arguments from me if they fast-track it, though!

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« Reply #145 on: April 18, 2013, 02:52:38 PM »
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I have to! ;)

Finally! Thank you, HTC and Greebo, it was about time the Macchi fighters got a model update! They are really gorgeous now! Great job!  :cheers:

Now, if I may be my usual picky self, a few things I'd like to point out:

From the announcement page

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This is the C.202 of Captain Prince Carlo Ruspoli, C.O. of the 91 Squadriglia while based at Fuka in Egypt in 1942. Ruspoli scored 10 kills for the Regia Aeronautica before joining the pro-Allied Co-Belligerant Air Force after the Armistice.  91 Squadrilgia was part of 4 Gruppo who were named after the famous Italian WW1 ace Francesco Baracca. They carried both his name and his prancing horse symbol on their aircraft, the same symbol later used by Enzo Ferrari on his racing cars.

There's a typo, "Squadriglia" is misspelled and the 4th Stormo (Wing) is called Gruppo (Group). The Stormo carried Francesco Baracca's name (it did so till 1967, when the 10th Gruppo was detached to create the 9th Stormo, named after Baracca, while the 4th was rechristened Amedeo D'Aosta, after one of its commanding officers), AFAIK the 91st never bear that name; both shared the insignia (more precisely, the Cavallino Rampante was the insignia of the 91st Squadriglia; when the 4th Stormo was created in 1931, the insignia was a winged man, but since both the Gruppi that composed the Stormo adopted Baracca's horse as symbol, it quickly became the Stormo insignia, in 1933; you can find more here.

One odd thing I discovered while researching Macchi C.200/202/205 series of fighter aircraft is that the left wing was built 9 inches longer span than the right. This was an attempt to overcome the uneven lift at the stall caused by propeller airflow over the wing roots. A different solution to this problem was the leading edge spoiler used on the RH wing of the Corsair. Might be why it flies a little oddly. IIRC the LW pilots who flew it rated it as having poor departure characteristics.

Can you quote your source for that? I've always known that the longer span was to counter torque, much like other aircrafts have different aerodynamic solutions for the same problem; as for stall, in the early development stage of the C.200 (whose wing is the same of the Folgore and Veltro), there was an issue with stall characteristic, but it was solved with a redesign of the wing profile (originally, it had a constant profile, that was changed into a varying profile).

Drop Tanks:

The DT was important enough to warrant a historical place on the airframe in that museum in Italy. They put one under one of the wings. They must have felt it was important.

Krusty, what museum are you referring to? I've been at Vigna di Valle and there are no drop tanks under the Folgore or Veltro wings.

I haven't had time to do any skins for the new rides yet. I will do some for the C.202/205 as the Italians had some interesting camouflage schemes. There are also three different Italian air forces that can be skinned, plus LW and Croatian markings too. I may wait and see if other skinners want to claim some first.

I have 3 skins I'm going to immediately get started on as soon as the model is released. :rock

I do hope to see a skin of "Dai Banana" (Go Banana!) the Folgore of Ennio Tarantola, one of the Italian aces of WWII

http://digilander.iol.it/enniotarantola/TarantolaVelC202Profili.htm

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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #146 on: April 18, 2013, 03:40:59 PM »
Gianlupo,

Do you have access to the manual for the San Giorgio Gunsight Type C showing the reticle pattern or a picture? HTC put the Type C in the C.202 when it should have been the Type B. I have pictures of that reticle.
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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #147 on: April 18, 2013, 05:49:23 PM »
I read about the longer wing LH wing in a couple of books including the Warpaint No 78 book on the 202/205. However some three view drawings didn't show the difference and some did. So just to be sure I found a photo of a 202 taken directly from the rear, measured the length of each wing and the left wing scaled to almost exactly 9 inches longer than the right.

There is a similar photo here if you want to check it out.


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« Reply #148 on: April 19, 2013, 01:43:24 AM »
Hey guys!

Buster, sorry, I have nothing on the San Giorgio.

Greebo, I know that the left wing was longer, but I've always known it was designed this way to counter engine torque, not to improve stall characteristics, that's what sounded odd to me.
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Re: New C202 and C205 Models. NICE!
« Reply #149 on: April 19, 2013, 08:11:47 AM »

I do hope to see a skin of "Dai Banana" (Go Banana!) the Folgore of Ennio Tarantola, one of the Italian aces of WWII

http://digilander.iol.it/enniotarantola/TarantolaVelC202Profili.htm

http://www.ipgp.fr/~tarantola/Files/Familiar/Ennio_Tarantola/index.html

I cannot get the pictures to load on that page.  :cry

Perhaps, you could send them to me?  I might give it a shot.

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