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Offline Perrine

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Ki-43 service dates?
« on: March 07, 2013, 03:04:11 PM »
Is this spot-on?

Ki-43 I       1941
Ki-43 II      late 1942
Ki-43 II Kai mid 1943
Ki-43 III     mid 1944

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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 09:36:49 PM »
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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 02:04:22 AM »
The -II didn't even start moving to units until December 1942... I think that to actually see combat with allied forces puts it well into 1943.

Unfortunately. No word on if we're getting the -I, which apparently was rushed to China to meet the enemy (though in limited numbers) as early as Sept/Oct of 1941. We could use the -I more than the -II for Aces High.

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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 08:01:51 AM »
The -II didn't even start moving to units until December 1942... I think that to actually see combat with allied forces puts it well into 1943.

Unfortunately. No word on if we're getting the -I, which apparently was rushed to China to meet the enemy (though in limited numbers) as early as Sept/Oct of 1941. We could use the -I more than the -II for Aces High.

A quick glace at the lazy man's online encyclopedia says that the difference between the -I and -II is the ability for the -II to carry a pair of 250 kg bombs.  I wonder if it carried anything smaller?

If that is the only difference between the -I and the -II then I can see why HTC went with the -II.
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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 08:15:17 AM »
The -1 had, IIRC, a 975hp engine and the -II had an 1100hp engine, making it 20mph faster with better climb as well.  The -II also added some minimalist protection for the pilot and fuel tanks.  Armamentwise, the -I was two 7.7mm machine guns or one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm machine guns where the -II was one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm machine gun or, mostly, two 12.7mm machine guns.
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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 10:12:26 AM »
Two 7.7mms... I've been on hunting trips with more firepower =/

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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 02:30:45 PM »
A quick glace at the lazy man's online encyclopedia says that the difference between the -I and -II is the ability for the -II to carry a pair of 250 kg bombs.  I wonder if it carried anything smaller?

If that is the only difference between the -I and the -II then I can see why HTC went with the -II.

That's the problem with a quick and lazy glance. There were many differences. Not the least of which was the wings had a tendency to break under bombload on the -I, so were significantly reinforced on the -II to be able to carry bombs.

Other changes include raising the cockpit, changing shape of the canopy, different engine and 3 blade prop with much more horsepower and +20mph speed, different cowling for said engine, shorter wings for higher speeds at lower alts, some pilot armor and fuel tank armor, ability to carry bombs (as mentioned) but also repositioned bomb racks.


As for the -I, it never had 2x7mm outside of prototypes or second-rate (non-combat) training planes. Almost every Ki-43-I that ever flew had the 1x7mm and 1x12.7mm combination. There is only one example of 2x12.7mm and it may have very well been a prototype in field testing, because it had no squadron markings or affiliation at the time it was encountered.

The -II may have technically had 2x12.7mm but there is some doubt as to whether these were kept. Much like gondolas on 109K-4s, it may have come from the factory that way, but was changed before being given to the pilots. As a whole the ammo expenditures still list 7mm ammo at a rate to suggest Ki-43s continued to use 1 of each gun well into the war when units started being replaced with more advanced fighters.

The 12.7mm was more than likely to explode in the barrel and blow your engine half to hell than it was to damage the enemy. In fact many wrecks have a steel plate inside the blast tube for the single 12.7mm because it was more likely to explode after leaving the barrel and they wanted to stop the explosion from damaging the plane that fired the round. It was an entirely unloved and unreliable weapon, so pilots kept the single 7mm to finish their kills if something happened to the 12.7mm (more than likely).

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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2013, 08:13:52 AM »
The 12.7mm was more than likely to explode in the barrel and blow your engine half to hell than it was to damage the enemy. In fact many wrecks have a steel plate inside the blast tube for the single 12.7mm because it was more likely to explode after leaving the barrel and they wanted to stop the explosion from damaging the plane that fired the round. It was an entirely unloved and unreliable weapon, so pilots kept the single 7mm to finish their kills if something happened to the 12.7mm (more than likely).

100% correct. They never did work the kinks out. Altho if the guns works anything like everything else in aces high, they will work fine, for game sake wise.
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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 09:41:00 PM »
I Explain Ki43.

Ki43-I
Released:1941 Apr
Engine:Ha-25 940hp
MaxSpeed:495km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x1 type89 7.7mm x1
      Few type89 7.7x2 or Ho-103 12.7mmx2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-I.jpg

Ki43-II Early
Released:1942 Nov
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:515km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIa.jpg

Ki43-II Late(AH Ver?)
Released:1943 Aug
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:536km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stack(gather type)
possible carry 250kg bomb x2
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-II_1943.jpg

Ki43-II Finall
Released:1944 Apr
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:548km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stacks
possible carry 250kg bomb x2
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-II_final.jpg

Ki43-III(kou)
Released:1944 Jun
Engine:Ha-115-II 1300hp with methanol-water injection
MaxSpeed:555km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stacks
possible carry 250kg bomb x2
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIIb.jpg
But picture is Ki43-IIIOtsu(You can find Ho-5 20mm x2, by bulge Back Engine cowl)

Notice:
Ki43-III(kou) is not Prototype, It joined to war, and used by 64Sq and other sq.
Ki43-III(Otsu) is Prototype.

and You can understand Ki43 subtype by this.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top1.jpg
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top2.jpg
« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 09:48:19 PM by Pkun »

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Re: Ki-43 service dates?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2013, 11:29:06 PM »
Thank you for providing the Ki-43 information, P-kun.  :)
I hope that HTC will model the Ki-43-II correctly. :salute

BTW I'm still waiting Ki-43-III Kou for LMA. :D