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Offline Rob52240

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Re: A great story
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2013, 09:11:40 PM »
I'm sure the UK's lend-lease payments finished in 2006, and I'm pretty sure the almost obsolete 4 stack destroyers the US chucked the UK's way rather than go to the bother of scrapping them were paid for.

It was a seller's market back then.  You can't blame opportunity.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2013, 09:19:37 PM »
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Guys dont take the bait for heavens sake!

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Re: A great story
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2013, 10:08:16 PM »
same to you.  since you copied it from the toher thread.


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No idea what thread you are talking about. I made this one because I thought the story was good and I wanted to share it.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2013, 10:55:23 PM »
No idea what thread you are talking about. I made this one because I thought the story was good and I wanted to share it.

tell yourself that.  post it in the wish list as that will be the only place it hasnt been posted yet.


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Re: A great story
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013, 02:51:58 AM »

Hummmm.  Not to mention getting into that fix in the first place.

- oldman (but hey, bailing out the Euros is what we do!)

Absolutely. We should have ignored them and hope they went away :bhead

Had US not been directly attacked how long would they have taken to get stuck in?, if at all. Yes theeir involvement was instrumental but the Russians had a greater impact by sopping up huge numbers of German troops and equipment. Germany lost when it invaded USSR, not when the US entered the war :old:
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Re: A great story
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2013, 12:19:12 PM »
Absolutely. We should have ignored them and hope they went away

Well, I mean....isn't that exactly what you did...?  Reparations, rearmament, Rhineland, Anschluss, Sudetenland....?


Had US not been directly attacked how long would they have taken to get stuck in?, if at all. Yes theeir involvement was instrumental but the Russians had a greater impact by sopping up huge numbers of German troops and equipment. Germany lost when it invaded USSR, not when the US entered the war

I guess it was a colossal blunder for the US to enter at all, then, if England and the Bolshies had matters well in hand.  What a shame for all the kids we lost in the process.

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2013, 03:38:03 PM »
Old story, but surprised to see it still getting circulated today.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2013, 07:00:44 AM »
Well, I mean....isn't that exactly what you did...?  Reparations, rearmament, Rhineland, Anschluss, Sudetenland....?


I guess it was a colossal blunder for the US to enter at all, then, if England and the Bolshies had matters well in hand.  What a shame for all the kids we lost in the process.

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Because attempting to reach a political settlement to stave off military action is unheard of? It was unsuccessful but nevetheless had to be attempted.

What I said was that the US was instrumental in winning the war, but it came as no surprise to anyone when Germany invaded Europe, and had the US got involved before the fall of France it's reasonable to surmise that the Germans would have been repulsed, in fact had the French not run away and actually fought alongside the British as they said they would do, there is a fair chance that France would have held anyway, and US intervention at this point may well have prevented Pearl Harbour.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2013, 03:58:05 PM »
Because attempting to reach a political settlement to stave off military action is unheard of? It was unsuccessful but nevetheless had to be attempted.

Appeasement goes way, way back, so it isn't unheard of at all!  The real issue is whether it "had to be attempted" with Nazi Germany.  Standing by while Germany repeatedly violated the Versailles Treaty was unwise, not only in retrospect but as argued by many influential people at the time.  You (well, not YOU, of course) got the result they predicted.  Why would you expect the US, which wasn't a party to the Versailles Treaty and therefore had no standing to enforce violations, to immediately jump into the war the Euros had gotten themselves into?  (I know, I know, because that's what we do.)


What I said was that the US was instrumental in winning the war, but it came as no surprise to anyone when Germany invaded Europe, and had the US got involved before the fall of France it's reasonable to surmise that the Germans would have been repulsed, in fact had the French not run away and actually fought alongside the British as they said they would do, there is a fair chance that France would have held anyway, and US intervention at this point may well have prevented Pearl Harbour.

Once Japan's access to steel and oil was cut off by the 1941 US embargoes, there was no face-saving way for the Japanese to avoid war, whether Germany was in it or not.  That was a war we brought on ourselves - sort of the reverse of the ETO.

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Re: A great story
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2013, 11:37:22 PM »
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Re: A great story
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2013, 08:57:08 AM »
Appeasement goes way, way back, so it isn't unheard of at all! 

I was being ironic when I said it was unheard of :bhead

The real issue is whether it "had to be attempted" with Nazi Germany.  Standing by while Germany repeatedly violated the Versailles Treaty was unwise, not only in retrospect but as argued by many influential people at the time.  You (well, not YOU, of course) got the result they predicted. 

I would suggest they were doing their level best not to get dragged in to another gigantic conflict so soon after WW1, and would have tried anything to avoid one. The versailles treaty was pretty much unenforceable considering that the signatory nations had all but depleted their respective militaries in four years of fighting, and the vast majority of servicemen had been either killed or demobbed by then. Just look at the state of the allied air forces at the beginning of WW2, hell, even the German tanks of the time were fairly shocking if any decent resistance could have been put up.


Why would you expect the US, which wasn't a party to the Versailles Treaty and therefore had no standing to enforce violations, to immediately jump into the war the Euros had gotten themselves into?  (I know, I know, because that's what we do.)

It's because thats what you DID, not what you do. The UK has been trailing around after the US and committing to it's middle eastern "conquest" with troops for many years now, including me 2 years ago, I doubt that either country jumped in to help the other for anything remotely close to altruism. It isnt as thought the US came a runnin' to help out until Hitler had declared his intentions, Lend lease didnt start until the day after.
Once Japan's access to steel and oil was cut off by the 1941 US embargoes, there was no face-saving way for the Japanese to avoid war, whether Germany was in it or not.  That was a war we brought on ourselves - sort of the reverse of the ETO.

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Re: A great story
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2013, 09:17:57 AM »
Could you cameltoes please find another thread to troll. Watch the video; it will make you smile.  :)
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Re: A great story
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2013, 09:50:41 AM »
Could you cameltoes please find another thread to troll. Watch the video; it will make you smile.  :)

You apparently fail to see the difference between trolling and a reasoned debate.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2013, 10:07:06 AM »
A "reasoned debate" totally hijacking the original thread. A thread that deserves far better than this.
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Re: A great story
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2013, 10:33:33 AM »
A "reasoned debate" totally hijacking the original thread. A thread that deserves far better than this.

Original thread pertains to a fantastic story, however this is the third such thread about the same story in as many days, ergo, does not deserve to be left unhijacked :)
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