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Offline Fish42

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2013, 06:19:54 PM »

Sir, what were you thinking posting this unacceptable racist trash.
Seconded.  That kind of crap is not acceptable.

FFS I put in a joke I have heard on american shows/comedy standup 1/2 a dozen times before and get jumped on.

Its not something I have ever heard here in Aus, so is it really that un-PC over there? Which BTW there are many "jokes" on these forums based on nationality yet I never see them pulled up, so why was this?

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2013, 06:22:41 PM »

Sir, what were you thinking posting this unacceptable racist trash.
Its  not racist, many races can be jewish. So how can you call something made up of a bunch of differenct races a race? Ignore them Fish they are just baiting the waters.

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2013, 07:20:16 PM »
Fish,

The origions for the joke or ethnic comment comes from the real fact that when a dollar\Shekel \ruble\denar\farthing\goat\sheep\"bushel of grain" is spent in a jewish community. It will circulate in that community 12 times longer than other communities before it's return to the broader economic community. Thus jewish communities very often are more prosperous than others where ever you find them in the world. From that comes the old sayings about Jews pinching or holding tight to pennys.

You have to wonder if the joke is not on those outside of the jewish community trying to use the saying negatively. In it's simplicity it describes why jewish communities tend to be more economicly successful.

Personaly I'd tend to take it as a compliment based on this simple measurement of success:

He who has the most cash didn't finish last by letting go of his pennys.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2013, 04:58:59 AM »
Do335 Pfiel would also earn a perk value.

This thread was about the smaller powers. While I wouldn't consider Japan "small" in the context of this thread, Germany certainly wasn't. Otherwise He162 would be a clear choice as well.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2013, 05:45:16 AM »
*you know what, this side conversation is rediculous*
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2013, 08:19:20 AM »
I can only think of the 4 cannon ki84 though the j2m3 might qualify someday.

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2013, 08:24:41 AM »
This thread was about the smaller powers. While I wouldn't consider Japan "small" in the context of this thread, Germany certainly wasn't. Otherwise He162 would be a clear choice as well.

Oh I never said Japan was a small power. "Japan or any of the smaller players" is what I said. the reason I included Japan was it was the only major player I could not think of having a perk plane.

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2013, 09:07:07 AM »
the 4 cannon KI was not any faster and probably suffered because of the added weight and modification to the strut to accommodate the bullets and extra cannon - it also never had the power to get high enough to kill bombers so the project focused more energy on a ultra light simple version which would be used for Kamikaze attacks and the standard version which was already deemed good enough for escorting kamikaze pilots - they built them side by side at nakajima.

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2013, 09:07:37 AM »
Oh I never said Japan was a small power. "Japan or any of the smaller players" is what I said. the reason I included Japan was it was the only major player I could not think of having a perk plane.
As I noted earlier, the Japanese really didn't have the fuel needed to get perk level performance from their aircraft.   The only Japanese unit that saw combat that would be perked, and I would literally be shocked if HTC ever added so questionable a unit, would be the G4M2+Ohka combination.

Well, I guess there might be a perkable Japanese submarine if HTC ever adds submarines.  I am not as familiar with submarines.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2013, 09:08:50 AM »
Oh I never said Japan was a small power. "Japan or any of the smaller players" is what I said. the reason I included Japan was it was the only major player I could not think of having a perk plane.

Ok. Can't think of anything that would be perked though.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2013, 09:34:05 AM »
Well, I guess there might be a perkable Japanese submarine if HTC ever adds submarines.  I am not as familiar with submarines.


I admit I don't have any idea how to include Submarines in AH gameplay in such a way that different types would have to be perked while others would not.


On the OP topic, no, I can't think of any that I would perk from the start. A Ki-84 with 4x20mm might show as somewhat unbalancing, but I'm sceptical about that.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2013, 09:55:08 AM »

I admit I don't have any idea how to include Submarines in AH gameplay in such a way that different types would have to be perked while others would not.
I'd think crush depth, speed, speed underwater, endurance underwater, torpedo power and torpedo speed would be the determining factors.  Get high values in enough of those and it'd need to be perked just to keep usage of other submarines viable.

I don't know if any Japanese subs might meet that level of performance, but I understand they made good submarines.
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2013, 10:00:16 AM »
I'd think crush depth, speed, speed underwater, endurance underwater, torpedo power and torpedo speed would be the determining factors. 


Yes, in any real "sub" game it would, but it would be difficult to play out the differences in most of those traits in a game of the scale (both distances & time) AH has. But maybe I'm just not thinking creatively enough for that at the moment. 
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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2013, 04:36:30 PM »
the 4 cannon KI was not any faster and probably suffered because of the added weight and modification to the strut to accommodate the bullets and extra cannon - it also never had the power to get high enough to kill bombers so the project focused more energy on a ultra light simple version which would be used for Kamikaze attacks and the standard version which was already deemed good enough for escorting kamikaze pilots - they built them side by side at nakajima.

hmmmmm......thats not what I was told :headscratch:

 

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Re: Is there a plane from...
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2013, 06:25:39 PM »
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that asked about the Ki-100 and its need for a perk

The myth that just won't die. The Ki-100 was marginally better than a Ki-61. It's top speed is @ 370 mph at alt and in no way would it ever need perking. The two best fighters in WW2 that the Japanese flew are already here; the Ki-84 and the N1K2-J and neither are perked. The J2M would be an interesting addition to the game but it won't be perked either.

LA-7 (including the 3 cannon option), Bf 109K-4, Fw 190D-9, N1K2-J, Ki-84, P-51D. All unperked. A Ki-100 isn't going to be unless HTC models it with lazers and a jet pack.

G.55? mmm, no.

A-26 Intruder? yes I can see that but that's off topic as it's USA.

Can't think of any really not from the smaller countries.


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