Gun guys and Glock 21 owners

[SmokinLoon]

Just find what works for you and go with it.

I carry a XDm .45acp 3.8" compact (similar size to a Glock 30) and I use the Pierce pinky extension on my 9rd mag (13rd mag has the grip sleeve).  It is just more comfortable for me to have a place for my pinky to go and does not effect concealment at all.

Using your middle finger as the trigger finger is a bad idea, learn to use the weapon as it was designed to be used.  I too imagine the slide cutting you with that high of a grip.

Silver...   Pierce makes both kinds of mag extensions.  The one Hellbent has does not change capacity, but they do make others with +1 or +2 capacity like you have.

Tens of thousand of Glock owners would disagree.

I disagree, while I usually carry the XDm compact, I have found that with its thinner frame a full size 1911 conceals just as easily, and I know there are many folks who carry them daily.  Also if you carry IWB barrel length doesn't really matter, and with a little cant to the holster a slightly longer grip does not make much difference either.  BUT... it all depends on many variable, body shape, how you dress etc.

 You are putting everyone into one category here.  People are different, they have different body sizes/shapes, dress differently, different strength levels, and different skill levels.  Sure for someone with a thin build and scrawny arms a .45 may not work, but I can shoot either my XDm .45 or my 1911 .45  all day with no fatigue, and I can conceal them both easily.  As for caliber, smaller DOES NOT = easier to shoot or less recoil, there are to many other variables involved.  I much prefer the recoil of my XDm .45 (shooting 230g standard pressure, tried some 185g +P and that's a whole 'nuther story) to that of a Ruger LCP .380 (shooting standard pressure 90g) the little .380 is just too small for me, the recoil is bad (not more powerful per se, just "bad" for me) I can't keep a grip on it between shots, and I can't hit squat with it.  I'm NOT ragging on the LCP though, just making my point that there is no one size fits all.  I have a friend who carries the LCP and loves it, it just doesn't work for me.  Smaller caliber does not = smaller gun either.  Think Springfield XDs (in .45acp) VS. Beretta 92f (in 9mm)

There is no "one size fits all" when it comes to concealed or self-defense handguns.  Each person has to reach their own conclusions as to what works best for them, be it revolver, semi-auto, full size, compact, sub-compact, caliber choice, hammer or striker, etc...

I'm well aware of everything you've just posted, and I do not disagree with most of it.  Also, I certainly am not saying "one size fits all".  Shape, size, and season all make a difference in what is and is not concealable (more or less so). Thing is though, just how many people can tuck away a G21, UK USP, or Desert Eagle in a concealed manner like those of us normal folks carrying a LC9 or Walther PPK?  Very few.  In regards to the 1911, you're correct.  The thinner profile is nice and it is easier to keep tucked away than a thicker Glock, Sig, or Beretta (typical double stack).  However, length and weight keep it in the same category, imo.  The 1911 Commander on the other hand.... 

Having a person shoot hundreds and hundreds and hundred of rounds out of a single stack/compact gun in .40 caliber is far different than doing the same in a Beretta 96.  The size and weight of the full size gun will allow for less fatigue, period. Even a box of 50 rounds will be less daunting if the caliber and gun are more accommodation.  The worst I've ever fired is a .357 mag out of S&W J frame "Airweight".  The .45 ACP out of a small compact handgun isnt as bad as a .40 S&W, much different pressure curves.  All in all, I come from the school of "do what you want, but be able to do it well".  So if a person wants to conceal a larger and heavier full sized 1911 in .45 ACP then that is there choice.  For CCW, I choose to go with the Sig 232 in .380 ACP and train, train, and train some more.  For combat courses I will use my Sig 226/9mm or Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. 

You may butcher your deer as you see fit, just make sure you get as much meat as you can.   

[VonMessa]

1930's S & W .32

I find this is all I need.

Light.

Small.

Never jams.

Very accurate.

I don't expect to need more than 1 or 2 rounds, so 6 is plenty.

What are you planning to use a shotgun for?

What are you planning on doing with a rifle?

Answering those questions will make it easier to help you.

[Maverick]

Because of my job I carried concealed for quite a while. I have swapped pistols several times. When I started out it was a snubbie model 66 S&W since it was a smaller version of my duty weapon. Later I changed to a semi off duty and favored the Colt Combat Commander. When the Dept let us carry semi's on duty the Glock was one of the choices and I went with it. Later on I found that the 19 was pretty much the same size as the Commander but had far more rounds and more importantly was MUCH lighter loaded full up than the Colt. That made a huge difference in carry especially in warmer weather carry. The Glock 26 or 27 is also pretty much the same size as the Officers Model, has more ammo and far far lighter as well. Then again I'm not a real fan of the 1911 for concealed carry. All too often I found the safety had moved to the off position while being carried. I wouldn't carry it with the chamber empty and trying to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber is a recipe for an AD eventually.

As for the rifle, the use is a critical question. The 06 will do most everything as well or better than the 300 magnum until you get to elk at long range or the medium to larger bears. It will also have cheaper and more available ammo in a variety of loadings that give it more versatility. No one really needs a magnum for deer, they aren't that tough at all.

[helbent]

I am looking at the mossberg 535 pump turkey/waterfowl barrles. 

Also this

Savage 116 Trophy Hunter XP Bolt Action Rifle .30-06 Springfield 22" Barrel 4 Rounds Synthetic Stock Stainless Finish 3-9x40 Scope 19733
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Ready to go, right out of the box, the Savage Package Series offers a rare combination of quality, convenience and affordability. We've built our Package models in a way that takes all the guess work out of buying a rifle, scope, bases and rings. No matter what you're looking for we've got a package to meet your needs.

Specifications and Features:
Magazine: Detachable box
Stock material: Synthetic
Barrel material: Stainless Steel
Stock finish: Matte
Barrel finish: Matte
Stock color: Black
Barrel color: Natural
Caliber: .30-06 Springfield
Rate of Twist: 1:10"
Weight: 8 lbs
Overall Length: 42.5"
Barrel Length: 22"
Ammo Capacity: 4

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Nikon 3-9x40mm scope with Bullet Drop Compensator BDC

I can get a cheaper 06, but I like the SS for less maintenance on a gun that will sit alot.  I think this scope is better also, with the bullet drop sights. What do you guys think of this 06?

Both are for hunting and home defense or the possible collapse of the federal government.  I like the 06 for its variability for deer elk bear and even smaller game. Cheaper than dirt is completely out of the shotgun and many others, so my order will wait till they are both available.

[VonMessa]

I am looking at the mossberg 535 pump turkey/waterfowl barrles.  

Also this

Savage 116 Trophy Hunter XP Bolt Action Rifle .30-06 Springfield 22" Barrel 4 Rounds Synthetic Stock Stainless Finish 3-9x40 Scope 19733
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Our Low Price:
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Manufacturer: Savage 19733
Item: 78619
UPC: 011356197337

Ready to go, right out of the box, the Savage Package Series offers a rare combination of quality, convenience and affordability. We've built our Package models in a way that takes all the guess work out of buying a rifle, scope, bases and rings. No matter what you're looking for we've got a package to meet your needs.

Specifications and Features:
Magazine: Detachable box
Stock material: Synthetic
Barrel material: Stainless Steel
Stock finish: Matte
Barrel finish: Matte
Stock color: Black
Barrel color: Natural
Caliber: .30-06 Springfield
Rate of Twist: 1:10"
Weight: 8 lbs
Overall Length: 42.5"
Barrel Length: 22"
Ammo Capacity: 4

Includes:
Nikon 3-9x40mm scope with Bullet Drop Compensator BDC

I can get a cheaper 06, but I like the SS for less maintenance on a gun that will sit alot.  I think this scope is better also, with the bullet drop sights. What do you guys think of this 06?

Both are for hunting and home defense or the possible collapse of the federal government.  I like the 06 for its variability for deer elk bear and even smaller game. Cheaper than dirt is completely out of the shotgun and many others, so my order will wait till they are both available.

I think a rifle is useless for home defense.

If you are looking for something to use inside the home (home defense) that wont go throught the walls and hit neighbors/family members/pets or the milk in the fridge, then a shotgun is the way to go.

I also think that buying any type of firearm at the current over-inflated prices is madness.

[Flench]

In a rifle I would get a Browning 30-06 or 270 or 243 .

[ToeTag]

If you want the Swiss army knife in a rifle caliber it is the 30-06.  You can shoot many different powders, primers and bullet weights.  Other guns are very limited compared to the versatility of the 06.  You can spend cheap on a bolt action and get a great scope.  Then all you have to do is learn to shoot at long range.

[W7LPNRICK]

a long while back I read an article from Masad Ayoob, who said the most feared shotgun was a 20ga semi-auto, because of the firepower & faster that 12ga follow-up shots because of diminished recoil. I have the old style Glock 19. I like it just fine. I also have a Taurus 24/7 Pro C 45acp with an extended mag. It is way too heavy & bulky for every day wear....short & stout like your Glock.
 

[Slash27]

Glock 21 owners, do you use the magazine extension?  I have the extensions on mine, but wondering if anyone uses their middle finger as trigger finger and index on the frame.  Concealment purposes.

Also I am looking for opinions on 12 G shotguns.  Was thinking mossberg 535.  Your opinions please.

Also looking at rifles.  300 winmag, 30-06, or 270.  Was leaning towards the 06 but your opinions please.  Include manufacturer.

thx

Absolutely yes to mag extensions on a Glock subcompact and I'd forget about shooting anything using your middle finger with you index on the slide. Have you kicked around a 19 instead of going subcompact?

[helbent]

So you think that 06 is overpriced?

[mbailey]

I am looking at the mossberg 535 pump turkey/waterfowl barrles.  

Cant go wrong with a Mossberg....I own alot of shotguns (and yes a Benelli SBE is in my case) but 9 times out of 10 if im headed into the woods, i grab my 30ish yr old Mossberg 500.....shes well worn from 30+ hunting seasons....but its also my favorite,  Its like the Timex of shotguns...just goes and goes and goes and goes.....always has been 100% reliable. Actually shot the biggest deer of my life this yr with it.   (Pics available...lol, any chance to show off my deer  )

Rifles i usually bought custom (bought, past tense, ie pre Kids and Mortgage) so my safe is full up with them.....but recently I got my son (12yrold) a new Sako 75 in 270....Thing is really nice, and quite the tackdriver....

CCw i carry a Sig P225 (9mm), or a Kimber ProCarry in .45acp.....Both conceal very well, but i DRESS to carry.  Another good choice if you want something about the size of a PPK is the SigSauer P239 (9mm, 357sig,40cal) I owned one and carried it for years (9mm) very easy to conceal in a Tshirt and shorts. As far as wheel guns go, i have a early 70s SW Chiefs Special (model 60) another one that has always been 100% reliable.

SmokinLoon, I agree with you,  Ive shot that .357  S&W J frame "Airweight"....just god aweful and painful as heck...no thanks...I like my hands too much.

[ToeTag]

As far as the rifle goes that scope will not handle the recoil.  Every 4th shot you will be screwed and wondering why you can't hit a 12" target at 200 yards.  Get the bare bones version (no scope or rings) if you can and buy good or great optics.  Savage makes a great rifle regardless of the price level.  Buy what you like (Looks / Features wise) and plan on two things putting that scope on your 22 and if it does not have an adjustable trigger (accu trigger) getting a trigger job done.  I got my savage 111 done with the aforementioned options and 400 yards is what I practice "hunting" shots for accuracy at.  A very affordable scope with great long range performance is a Millet LRS.  The only gripe I have with this scope is at full magnification (26X) the eye relief is a PITA.  It is very narrow maybe a 1/2" sweet spot. I find that if dialed back to between 20 to 23 the eye relief is as listed on the specs. The pros are it adds just enough weight to make your aim a little better due to the "If i pull the trigger its going to hurt" Ouch syndrome.  Everything else with this scope is as advertised an I would buy more of them if I needed another rifle to hunt with.  I don't because I have a 30-06.

[mbailey]

So you think that 06 is overpriced?

Nope, its in line with what they are selling for, cheaper than a couple places i looked

[VonMessa]

So you think that 06 is overpriced?

I think that all firearms are overpriced right now...

[TOMCAT21]

I'll stick to my 1911.