Hello wezel, yes you and I have had some great fights I appreciate your comments sir and everyone else but of course I already know all about angles and deflections I have the expertise. I too have come around the berm and shot point Blank only to have the other tank shoot and get the kill but that's not what I'm really trying to get at. I kill anywhere from a thousand to two thousand tanks a month. I played with and against every tank in the game and had every type of deflection or ping there is believe me. Something has change when I shoot 7 hvap rounds into the side of a t3485 or panzer it should be dead in one or two shots at the most yet to many times its not happening instead they one shot my tank (1 shot) and get the kill on me. I have heard and spoke with lots of players that are complaining of the same thing the and yet none have spoke up or supported this thread go figure but its not deflections and angles more like connections, servers, packet sending or receiving or even programing I don't know. Anyways I'm just going to let all of this be posting this in the forums wasn't a good idea. So I want to say thank you to all for trying to help see ya on the battle field <S>