190 stinks

[pervert]

I should add that a 190 d9 with flaps in turns better than one with flaps out.

[bozon]

Bozon,

i have to disagree with you on this. In every sigle knife-fight i fought, had the feeling that the ponies had an enormous advantage by being able to go nose down withouth doubling their turn radius. That was the real problem for me, every single second i couldnt fly with full flaps opened, was losing position and energy as i had to chop throttle to slow down.

Nope, i wasnt as much of a newb in the 190, ask anyone, but with my preferred flying style, it was a truly huge disadvantage, as the flaps meant a slower stall speed, and that was everything i wanted.

At stall speeds the 190 flaps can be extended, but you have to be quick to get them out when the speed drops and constantly monitor them due to auto-retract with speed changes. This is the real difference that I find, the flaps in such planes take a lot more of your attention, while in planes like the P51 you select how many notches you like and concentrate on maneuvering instead of continuously fiddling with the flaps.

I fly the Mosquito a lot and the flaps there also come out at 190 mph. When I really need them is at speeds lower than 190 mph and they work just fine, but after a few moments and cycles of auto-retracting and manual deployments I lose track of their state, which is the annoying part. I could still get some use out of them at 200 or even 220 mph, but their significance diminishes quickly at these speeds. Some extra drag that I could stick out into the wind would be helpful at times, but then again the rudder and two windmilling propellers help slowing me down when I need to. There is also a trick with the bomb bay doors, but the effect is minor and the doors are for some reason nailed shut, unless you loaded bombs in the hangar.

[Zacherof]

The d9 is the worst with flaps due to the fact it gains gains speed quicker than the other variants. I'm currently trying to use the 190's as
an uphill fighter as appose to my normal routine

[Debrody]

The difference is, the mosquito turns much better and stalls much slower than the 190, also the flaps arent instantly retracting when you hit full throttle in level flight. Apples and oranges.
Thats what im trying to say for a while.

[Perrine]

Like it or not, but now here's something the A8 is good at:airplane:

Triggered by the recent perk-farming and perk transfer discussions.

As I have all kills and deaths in a chart in detail (so I can see at a glance how many Me 262's were killed by F6F's, for example) I can also determine the nominal fighter perk gain for each model, both in total as well as per kill. Of course I can not account for the perk bonus modifier in effect at that time, and I can not really take in account the mission endings for a specific plane. That's why it's called nominal

Here's a small chart with the top 10 nominal perk gainers of 2012

The total nominal perk gain for all fighters was at 2.9 million, with an average perk gain of 1.1 per kill. (Average 'victim' ENY was 12.5, average killer ENY slightly above that.)


The median for 'kills per hour'  for all players in the LW arena is at about 2.3 (with slight variations between different tours). That would mean a nominal fighter perk gain of ~2.5 perks/hour of flight time for the average player. IF we take account the landing bonus and remove pure "2-weekers" we would most likely end up with something like 3 fighter perks/h of flight time for the average player.

I did cross check that value by examining the perk gains since end of January of a randomly determined 100 players and found those results to be at about the same order of magnitude. Only truly above average players would turn out to have a sustained perk gain of more than 6, 7 or 8 perks /hour.

[Babalonian]

Oh wait, redbull barrowed my a5 so I will be needing one

Redbull can't fly his way out of a wet paper bag in an A5.   

I've never ripped a wing off a 190 (they seem usually indestructible with respect to diving speed and g's), but I remember that, in Air Warrior (another game like AH) there was a circumstance under which you could do it.  If you got into compressibility, pulled all the way back on the stick, then popped out of compressibility, you could generate momentarily huge g's that would rip the wings off.  Not sure if there is any aspect like that in AH.

I regularly (more often than I should admit) rip both wingtips off my Dora in high speed and high-G turns and the AF-8 is realyl easy to do this in with a heavy internal fuel loadout and some speed/E.

you  lose some speed, and you will add weight using the ETC rack, even after ordnance have been dropped.
The A8 is already the hippo at the party.

Agreed, but don't think of it as beign useless, jsut counterproductive to fighter vs fighter work.  If you go in attack mode heavy and with the intention of kicking some mud rather than carving air it is worth it, but if you're trying to be faster and/or lighter for fighter vs fighter you shouldn't need/have the centerline rack (you can carry a TON of internal fuel).



If you need flaps to turn in a 190, you're not doing it right.  I only use flaps when landing or at the very top of vertical maneuvers (and never more than 1 or 2 notches).

[Zacherof]

I've never really turned the 190 that hard going that fast before, so I was surprised and annoyed due to me have a perfect shot

[Debrody]

If you need flaps to turn in a 190, you're not doing it right.  I only use flaps when landing or at the very top of vertical maneuvers (and never more than 1 or 2 notches).

Awwww, i shall resub and prove you that its false!

[ScottyK]

You can somewhat fly the 190 A5 like a 109, use lots of rudder.  Im no "uber stick" in the A5 but u can suprise alot people by turning. I remember about 5-6 months ago fighting Debrody 190A5 vs 109g6, with us alternating back and forth on who flew what and we both got down and dirty.

[Zacherof]

You can somewhat fly the 190 A5 like a 109, use lots of rudder.  Im no "uber stick" in the A5 but u can suprise alot people by turning. I remember about 5-6 months ago fighting Debrody 190A5 vs 109g6, with us alternating back and forth on who flew what and we both got down and dirty.

I fly the plane in a manner that best suits the situation.
With a150mph advantage ofcourse

[BaldEagl]

I've never had a problem pulling an A8 out of a near 600 mph dive but it shudders like hell.

[Zacherof]

I've never had a problem pulling an A8 out of a near 600 mph dive but it shudders like hell.

same here. I've been flying the 190's for atleast 3 tours now and never
had this happen to me. Then *POOF* 
I'm just surprised as I'm no noob but at the same it's like WTF

[save]

my guess would be a Joystick spike

[Zacherof]

Would make sence. Although with above comments looks lime I need to look into this matter

[Noir]

I've seen Russheim break his wings in a P51d when pulling up to shoot me so its possible in any plane I'd say.