incendiary machine gun ammo

[LCADolby]

you not watch mythbusters?

I seem to remember them not being able to get any such result with tracers.

Don't believe anything you see on mythbusters. They couldn't get a mobile phone to cause petroleum to ignite, yet it's a well known ignition source in the real world.

[guncrasher]

Don't believe anything you see on mythbusters. They couldn't get a mobile phone to cause petroleum to ignite, yet it's a well known ignition source in the real world.

you can only ignite the fumes.  here's another for you.  you cannot ignite petroleum with a cigarette.


semp

[LCADolby]

The fumes are still petroleum wise ass

[FLOOB]

That's right. Gasoline needs fire, combustion, to ignite. Tracers are bullets that are on fire. Willy Pete burns spontaneously when exposed to air, magnesium must be ignited but will burn even when submerged in water.

[FLOOB]

Don't believe anything you see on mythbusters. They couldn't get a mobile phone to cause petroleum to ignite, yet it's a well known ignition source in the real world.

They also couldn't get a propane tank to explode by shooting it, yet they could get a scuba air tank to explode by shooting it. They also couldn't cut down a tree with a machine gun. Of course what they were calling a tree was 9 foot x 1 foot, dead, non weight bearing log. Maybe the most laughable episode was when they tried to fool a drug sniffing dog, or was it a bomb sniffing dog, I forget. The point is, they're not going to show viewers how to defeat law enforcement or how to be better terrorists, or how to start gas stations on fire with cell phones.

[gyrene81]

That's right. Gasoline needs fire, combustion, to ignite. Tracers are bullets that are on fire. Willy Pete burns spontaneously when exposed to air, magnesium must be ignited but will burn even when submerged in water.

and you're still wrong. it is the vapors that are combustible, not the liquid. wp requires oxygen to burn, guess what doesn't exist in liquid gasoline...now fire that tracer into the empty space of a gasoline can where the vapors collect and it may ignite.

[FLOOB]

Am I correct in understanding that you just said liquid gasoline isn't combustible? A match won't burn without oxygen either, light one and throw it in a bucket of gasoline and watch what happens. Think about what you just wrote.

[Zoney]

Am I correct in understanding that you just said liquid gasoline isn't combustible? A match won't burn without oxygen either, light one and throw it in a bucket of gasoline and watch what happens. Think about what you just wrote.

Floob, you're wrong, liquid gasoline does not burn, only the hydrocarbons that have evaporated.  You can throw a match in a bucket of gasoline and the match will go out.  The gasoline vapors burn off the top and the match is sitting in the liquid, and it's out.

Don't try it, but that is the way it works.


Edit:  BTW I've known Gyrene for a long long time, he generally is on the point, does not embellish and is correct.  Great guy too as I'm sure you are also sir <S>.


Floob is my friend

[FLOOB]

I know, that's why flame throwers make such good fire extinguishers.

[guncrasher]

I know, that's why flame throwers make such good fire extinguishers.

they dont use liquid gasoline.

semp

[Zoney]

I know, that's why flame throwers make such good fire extinguishers.

I'm sure you are joking but that is an excellent example of the principle.  If the Liquid could burn the fire would race inside the nozzle through the hose and then blow up the tank holding the liquid.

[FLOOB]

they dont use liquid gasoline.

semp

Yes they do fool, you thought the long arcing trajectory was fumes? Anyway it's good to know gasoline will put out fires, I can take the fire extinguisher out of my car since there's a gas jug in the trunk anyway.

[guncrasher]

Yes they do fool, you thought the long arcing trajectory was fumes? Anyway it's good to know gasoline will put out fires, I can take the fire extinguisher out of my car since there's a gas jug in the trunk anyway.

look it up.  it's combined with something else. 


as for throwing a match into gasoline or petroleum.  I learned that when I was a kid.  you cant throw a match into gasoline and expect it to catch fire.  you can hold a match over it and the fumes will catch on fire which will cause it to burn, but if you throw the match in it will just go out.  same as trying to use a cigarette to light gasoline.  I always get a kick when in the movies the fire will start because gasoline reached a cigarette. in real life the cigarette will just go out.



semp

[FLOOB]

Semp, you can ignite gasoline with fire, trust me. You're right, you can't do it with a cigarette ember, you need combustion. We went over that.

Look, you guys have pretty good grip on how oxidation works, which is what fire is. But your application of that is hilarious. Technically, wood doesn't burn, it's a solid, cant oxidize fast enough, therefore a log cabin is fireproof right?

If shooting gas tanks with incendiary ammo doesn't start fires then the history books have it all wrong and AH has some serious issues with it's damage model.

[FLOOB]

look it up.  it's combined with something else. 

semp

Yes LIQUID GASOLINE is combined with something else to make it more viscous. To make it stickier and more projectable, not to make it more flammable.