Help needed training a puppy

[Zacherof]

I beat me
dogs all the time.......



























In hide and seek

[mtnman]

"Crate training" is probably the easiest, quickest method to house train a dog.

When you have him/her out of the crate, take them straight outside to go.  Then take them out a minute or two after they either eat or drink, or wake up from a nap.  Those are all very predictable times when they'll have an urge to "go".

Between using the crate and capitalizing on the animal's predictability it's a fairly simple matter to develop the habit of going outside.

It's easier to establish those habits right away, than to try to "un-train" bad behaviors after you've allowed them to become established.

[morfiend]

The first time you catch her in the act of peeing in the house grab her by the scruff of the neck and rub her nose into the pee, then take her outside and leave her out for at least half an hour. Repeat the process untill she stops, it should not take long. If you don't catch her in the act of peeing there is no point in any punishment. Dogs in general are not smart enough to accosiate past crimes with current punishment. The crime and punishment must be simultaneous,  


Tough love, but has to be done

  Actually this is exactly what not to do!!! never punish the dog for an accident,the pup is only 3 months and still doesn't have much control over it's bowel or bladder. After each meal take the pup out,she's too young to use a dogdoor although you should encourage it's use,just don't rely on it.

  If the dog has an accident,clean the area and take some of the paper,cloth,whatever you use,outside and let the dog smell it,you can even train them to use a certain spot if you choose. Remember the dog is still a baby and will behave as such,you need to be on top of things,after it wakes up take it outside,after some play time take it outside. If and when the dog goes outside,praise it to no end tell it it's a good dog. This will work in no time at all,before long the dog will get the idea and will go to the door after it wakes up,is done playing or after it eats. Getting it to use the dog door may take alittle longer but as long as you don't force the dog,it's easier to tempt the dog with treats anyways.

   Simply get it's favourite treat and hold it infront of the dog to encourage it,then step outside and open the door with the treat in hand,then encourage the dog to get the treat but make it go through the door,before long the pup will be used to the door and will likely come and go as it pleases,if that's what you want.

  And lastly,get a cage and cage train the dog during the housetraining part,you can use the cage or not after but the idea is to confine the dog to it's bed,most dogs wont mess in their beds.As soon as you let the dog out of the cage,take it outside!

  If you do this and use the soiled paper,this gives the scent the dog needs to go!  You should have the dog trained in a week to 10 days if you follow this course.


       I have over 30 years raising,training and breeding dogs under my belt and have never punished a dog for an accident as mostly it was my fault for not letting to dog out often enough,and they are babies,you would rub a childs nose in his mess would you,then why would you want to do that to a dog,it's totally unneeded!


   

 PS: Batty I don't often disagree with you but this time I have to!

[mechanic]

Well, it's always worked for our dogs Morf, but each to their own, of course!

Punishment is not exactly what I would call rubbing their nose in it. It's more aversion therapy. We lived near a fast, busy road for many years and every new pup we got we would hold them by the side of the road at rush hour just one time. Such an experience at a young age remains for life. We never had a dog get hit by a car so far. It's the same principle. It is not cruel by any means compared to how dogs teach other dogs how to behave. We love our dogs as members of the family.


However, if you can achieve the same results in a more gentle manner, my hat is off to you mate  

[shppr01]

sending the dog outside right after she has an accident works even better than rubbing its nose in it.. Safer for the dog as well !

[morfiend]

Well, it's always worked for our dogs Morf, but each to their own, of course!

Punishment is not exactly what I would call rubbing their nose in it. It's more aversion therapy. We lived near a fast, busy road for many years and every new pup we got we would hold them by the side of the road at rush hour just one time. Such an experience at a young age remains for life. We never had a dog get hit by a car so far. It's the same principle. It is not cruel by any means compared to how dogs teach other dogs how to behave. We love our dogs as members of the family.


However, if you can achieve the same results in a more gentle manner, my hat is off to you mate  

 As you say to each their own!         BTW I agree with the aversion technique especially where the animals life is concerned!  However rubbing the nose in it isn't really aversion,ever notice a dog eat it's own feces?  Not exactly pleasant to us but to a dog....

   Until a dog is about 6 months it doesn't have complete control over it's bowel or bladder,just like a baby and they tend to need to relieve themselves right after eating,sleeping,playing and or exercise. If you constantly take the dog out after these activities,it shouldn't take more than a week or 2 to train. Yes there may be the odd mistake but I've always believed you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


  I will admit there is a time and a place for tougher measures,like teaching a guard dog not to except food for anyone but the handler,or not approaching a boundary fence so it cant be shot or stabbed.  Those are rare cases though,police and military dogs definitely need this if only to save their lives.

  Also Batty it's an age old thing so I don't condemn you for using it,it works,I just think there are other ways to do it.



   

[Ripsnort]

Crate training FTW.
two weeks or less, they're potty trained.

[-ammo-]

Crate training FTW.
two weeks or less, they're potty trained.

Agree 100%.  And a byproduct of this method is the dog won't think the crate is punishment or confinement later.

BTW - Hiya Rip; long time no see.  Hope all is well with you.

[Curval]

Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained. 



After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.

Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs.  She has two of these:



They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.

[Ripsnort]

Agree 100%.  And a byproduct of this method is the dog won't think the crate is punishment or confinement later.

BTW - Hiya Rip; long time no see.  Hope all is well with you.

Hiya Ammo! All is well, ditto back to you too brother!

[Ripsnort]

Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained. 

After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.

Didn't your dog come to you infested with fleas and matted hairballs to the point you had to shear her?

I wouldn't highly recommend that to anyone. 

[morfiend]

Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained. 

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After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.

Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs.  She has two of these:

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They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.

  You know I wish more people would learn this!  Getting an adult trained dog is often the best way to go,as you said pups can be a lot of trouble and tend to end up at the pound needlessly.

  But the puppies were so cute,ya they are and for a reason but a trained adult dog usually wont be any trouble. If you're a new dog owner or have limited experience with dogs,do yourself a favour and look for an adult dog,check for rescues,the pound and even many breeds will sell or often give away an adult dog that doesn't fit with the breeding program or is retired from showing and or breeding. Usually the breeders just want to be sure the dog is going to a good home.

   If more people followed Curval's example there would be fewer dogs going to the pound.



   

[Curval]

Didn't your dog come to you infested with fleas and matted hairballs to the point you had to shear her?

I wouldn't highly recommend that to anyone. 

True.  It wasn't a 100% easy transition, but she was house trained and hasn't chewed anything.  She loves our shoes, but she doesn't chew them, she takes them under the dining room table and adds them to her shoe stash.  Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UycdZQCt8QQ

[Zacherof]

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Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs.  She has two of these:

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They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.

I'm going to go out and assume they are atleast quarter wolf

[Curval]

I'm going to go out and assume they are atleast quarter wolf

Dire wolf. 

Nah..lol...actually they are British Inuits, a blend of sheperd, husky and malamute.  They look a whole lot like wolves but in fact are not.  (I was sure they had wolf in them too, but apparently not)