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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2013, 01:40:01 AM »
Yes, however, after 12 years here I doubt HTC will invest in such an idea.

It probably would be a big project for HTC. I was just thinking a kind of "official" training/tutorial thing that pops right up in the players face where there is no doubt they will see it would be useful for the people who just download the game and jump right in.

We still do have awesome people like Vudu doing the tutorial stuff already. We just need an easier way for the new players to find them. A sticky thread of them would be nice. Maybe one of those "Did you Know?" messages on load up can read "Did you know, Vudu15 makes tutorial videos on YouTube! Check them out!"

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2013, 04:04:48 AM »
that would be good.
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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2013, 06:35:45 AM »
I'd say make a tutorial ingame or go to DA lake thats where I got help to learn how to fly my pony still mediocore in it after 5 years though lol plus i've found I have a nack for them High ENY planes such as the 109E-4 and P40Cs and P39Ds or Qs
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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2013, 06:43:28 AM »
Hammer's http://www.netaces.org/ should be your bible.
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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2013, 09:37:45 AM »
Hammer's http://www.netaces.org/ should be your bible.


 Yes and the trainers site has a lot of the information players are looking for.  There's even a direct link on the clipboard map but the issue isn't so much that the informations isn't there it's more like not enough players bother to read it.

  I agree it needs to be easier to find and maybe should be mostly video type of information,however I don't have the skill sets to do so. Now there's nothing stopping others from doing so,Vudu15 has done plenty on his own and has had great results from it so if anyone would like to make a video or submit an article please be my guest.

  It would be best if it is submitted to the trainers to check for correct information etc. but other than that please feel free to offer up any help you'd like.


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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2013, 02:52:48 PM »
The typical player who makes it as far as this forum, creating an account and wading in, is the same player type who will read the manual from cover to cover. Might go to the DA to duel but, keep throwing himself at you and this game until he can beat you or become friends with you out of respect. Or your lifelong enemy because you need someone to shoot at in a shooting game. And you gents are a minority who pretty much interact with only yourselves, since you are the demographic who will probably stick around for a long time because you are motivated to develop "yourself" against the crucible of the game.

Who is the player that never comes to this forum. Never reads the manual. Never goes to the DA unless to HO in a Tempest at the lake. And drives you nuts on range asking how to do the simplest things while playing the game in the dweebiest chicken guano manner possible to survive above everything else? And is very likely to get bored or frustrated and leave unless fortunate enough to find friends to keep returning to play with?

You keep defining this game around your selves and assuming your desires and motivations in others while trying to come up with strategies to keep them engaged in this game. Problem being, your strategies will work on yourselves but, bore them to tears. They are not you, never will be you. And don't seek from this game what you seek. Nor hold any sacred value to the principles you conduct your selves with in this game.

Consider the complaints that Hitech has allowed the game to slip into arcadishness over the years to keep up subscriptions. Aside from the dweebiesh game play inherit in this demographic. What really keeps them coming back over the long haul?

Friends and the feeling they belong to something. Once they achieve that, they will learn from their friends like little sponges because they have a reason to learn. The vTards were the perfect example for this. Someone picked up new players giving them something to be part of regardless of their skills. Then led them to victories they could be proud of as a group of friends.

The individualist has no problem finding anything he needs to play the game or producing learning aids to help others. The other demographic is not looking for learning aids or helping hands. He's looking to be a member of a group that accepts him. Then he's ready to learn.

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 03:14:02 PM »
bustr -- well writ!

Everyone plays the game for their own reason(s), and each and every one of us has our own bias WRT the game.

Me, I want to understand every aspect of playing it and I DON'T want to understand the coding ... but being that I am closer to 100 years of age than 1 , it seems doubtful that I'll reach that goal.

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To specifically address the original Latrobe question: "How useful would an offline tutorial be?" 

I'm quite certain it would be value added.

My only concern would be accuracy.   I see a LOT of written and video material which is well-meant, but technically wrong.

Technical review (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread) would be my only concern before anything was linked to the official website (then again this is HTC's call, not mine).

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2013, 03:43:43 PM »
Rodent, you're a trainer now? Next thing ya know...they'll draft Silat  :devil

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2013, 03:53:22 PM »
Indeed, Bustr, well written.  I don't know what it is like to be a guy who finds AH on his own and signs up.

When AW folded, our squad came over.  We learned in the TA. 

Then after that, a looooong time passed before I became very proficient at bombing and jabo'ing.

What keeps me interested in AH are the buds I've made and kept over the last 11 years.

AW had a good thing with their "Training Nights."  You'd log in and a trainer would spend an hour with 4 to 6 guys. 

Then also, in various squads, we had training nights as well.  Learned lots.

Didn't happen solo for me.  Bet that would be frustrating.

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2013, 03:57:08 PM »
Shaw's "Fighter Combat and Tactics" combined with squad/dueling/trainer work should be all that is needed.  However, the idea Latrobe has certainly couldn't hurt. Wish I could help with it but alas, I'm more in need of such a thing more than I could contribute.  
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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2013, 03:57:46 PM »
Rodent, you're a trainer now? Next thing ya know...they'll draft Silat  :devil

well Max, Sir!  Silat is already drafted as a trainer now....... he just can't help it that he can not get out of his P-38 because his high heel stilletos keep hanging up on his rudder pedals..... so if any of you see him out on the flight line..... please go give himher a hand please...... so heshe may get out of that P38 and make it to the o'club so he can read and post on the boards......

it has gotten to be terrible sitting in that cockpit all this time...... sheesh

 :devil  :bolt:

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2013, 04:00:22 PM »
Rodent, you're a trainer now? Next thing ya know...they'll draft Silat  :devil

Max,

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PS Couple of years actually

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2013, 04:11:58 PM »
What keeps me interested in AH are the buds I've made and kept over the last 11 years.

AW had a good thing with their "Training Nights."  You'd log in and a trainer would spend an hour with 4 to 6 guys.  

Then also, in various squads, we had training nights as well.  Learned lots.



nice post, Hap!

ever since I was asked to join the AH Trainers here..... it has always been my interest and request to implement a similar type of "Scheduled Informal Training Nights" , here for the Aces high Community!

I feel like it would greatly help the Aces high community, it would bring forth better game play and better air combat ( as well as entire arena combat regardless if it is aircraft, GVs, ships, etc..... ), and the extended benifits of doing so would those who learn and train together in this format, form close knit relationships/friendships and these type of friendships is what builds a stronger community......


The Aces high Community has to want this though........ if the demand is not there, then it more than likely will never happen.....

but one can always keep hoping, I know I will!  I know how well it works and how much of a benefit it would be for this community!

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2013, 04:59:48 PM »
...

To specifically address the original Latrobe question: "How useful would an offline tutorial be?" 

I'm quite certain it would be value added.

My only concern would be accuracy.   I see a LOT of written and video material which is well-meant, but technically wrong.

Technical review (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread) would be my only concern before anything was linked to the official website

-Rodent57   

I agree with Rodent57's  thoughts on this subject!

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Re: How useful would an offline tutorial be?
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2013, 06:28:58 PM »
This game is very easy to learn how to get out of the hanger and shooting at something. The more information heavy and visually loaded a tutorial or interactive help page becomes the better. By all means load em up.

If you are seeking the answer to keeping a new younger demographic interested in the game. You are dealing with a generation that first wants to feel accepted and part of something. Then you won't be able to satisfy their hunger for game knowledge.

It may appear a bit touchy feely. But, the rewards are well worth the effort once they feel a part of our community. They are every bit our equals in learning anything that "interests" them. Different generation, different motivation. Think about the achievements and who introducing that matters to. I couldn't care less. The only achievement I purposely went for was the 3sec air time in a jeep. My squad all drove off the same cliff at the same time to see what would happen for grins and giggles.

Too bad the Trainers don't have something like a training wheels squad open to only new subscribers and two weekers. The squad exists for only 1-2 tours then everyone is booted out with a diploma. During that time the Trainer is the CO and chief brain trust for the members until he graduates them. Or holds a draft to established squads who hopefully have been watching the newbies and making friends with them. Or they take their collective diplomas and start a new squad to stay together.
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