Best Shotgun for Under $600?

[1pLUs44]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5vD03ZHgvA

Norinco Trench gun  

You gotta love the slam fire (not to mention, I got mine for about 500$, bought the bayonet separately for 100$)

[saggs]

what fish is saying is the other side of the coin.  if you must get a gun to defend your home then perhaps the wise choice would be to move.  I live in a middle class neighborhood, but the crime rate in my city is low.  but I do own two handguns that I keep next to me just in case.  but I am not "hardcore" like my friend who has a zillion guns with enough ammo to supply the contras.  he looks at it as money well spent, I look at it as I could have bought a Harley with 1/3 of that and have enough money left to get me some plastic surgery and a tummy tuck to get some chicks to driver around.

not sure where most of you guys live but to some of us when you say things like "get a couple of friends and go turkey shooting" or something like that, well the only turkeys around here would be the neighbors around the corner.  we are city folks so if we say things "why would you need a gun" dont bring up the gun politics.  we sometimes just mean to say "do you live in a safe neighborhood and if you dont then please  move".  you on the other hand think, "no way I am moving".  just different ways of thinking.  you make your choice according to your own ideas.

like i say we just gotta try to understand each other a bit.


semp

You and fish seem to be operating under the illusion that home invasions, B&E, smash and grabs etc. only happen in "BAD" neighborhoods.  Here's a thought... most bad guys can walk, some may even have a bus pass, or maybe even a vehicle    shocking I know.  They DON'T CARE what neighborhood you're in.  In fact if they are looking to score some primo loot they can hock to support whatever illicit habits they have, they will intentionally target more affluent neighborhoods.

Here's another thought, some people are at a point in their live where they moving to a nicer neighborhood is a financial impossibility.  It's all well and good to tell people to just move to a gated community with alarms everywhere and 24/7 private security...  that is a luxury that many Americans simply cannot afford.

[SIK1]

It's always better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

[guncrasher]

You and fish seem to be operating under the illusion that home invasions, B&E, smash and grabs etc. only happen in "BAD" neighborhoods.  Here's a thought... most bad guys can walk, some may even have a bus pass, or maybe even a vehicle    shocking I know.  They DON'T CARE what neighborhood you're in.  In fact if they are looking to score some primo loot they can hock to support whatever illicit habits they have, they will intentionally target more affluent neighborhoods.

Here's another thought, some people are at a point in their live where they moving to a nicer neighborhood is a financial impossibility.  It's all well and good to tell people to just move to a gated community with alarms everywhere and 24/7 private security...  that is a luxury that many Americans simply cannot afford.

like i said I have two just in case somebody tries to break in when I am here.  however I am not under the illusion that I'll be home if somebody decides to break into my house.  most likely they will walk away with the coins in my piggy bank and the safe containing both guns, if they can get it unbolted from where i have it.  one thing I learned from a previous pig squaddied that came to visit last year. 




semp

[hammer]

I dont know using a shotgun in an apartment that small with neighbors all around, it's scary.  then again using a handgun...then again having nothing to protect yourself, it's also scary....

Saw a nice little piece on the outdoor channel a few months ago where they tested various rounds for suitability for home defense. The criteria was simple: . 1. ability to penetrate a bad guy at room distance and 2. lack of lethality after penetrating "normal" drywall walls. They came up with a shotgun with #7 shot (IIRC). At room distances (10 - 15 ft), it penetrated their leather jacket wearing ballistic gel target nicely, but lost most of it's energy penetrating the two pieces of drywall. An important consideration in an apartment or in a house with others.

Regards,

Hammer

[Widewing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5vD03ZHgvA

Norinco Trench gun  

You gotta love the slam fire (not to mention, I got mine for about 500$, bought the bayonet separately for 100$)

I see these Chinese knock-offs at SASS events. They are rather rough, but seem to be reliable. Most SASS users get their's tuned up by their local gunsmith. Some gunsmiths won't work on them. The Win 97 and clones will slam fire, meaning that you can hold the trigger down and cycle the action to shoot.

[rpm]

Remington 870. 

[Reschke]

I see these Chinese knock-offs at SASS events. They are rather rough, but seem to be reliable. Most SASS users get their's tuned up by their local gunsmith. Some gunsmiths won't work on them. The Win 97 and clones will slam fire, meaning that you can hold the trigger down and cycle the action to shoot.

I have seen these as well Widewing and they are nice little guns for what they cost.

[Plawranc]

As an Australian It is illegal for us to own firearms of any value.

But from what experience I do have, the gun I've always wanted to own is a Remington 870 Shotgun. 12 Gauge, Good action and will drop anything and anyone.

[Widewing]

I have seen these as well Widewing and they are nice little guns for what they cost.

The most bang for the buck that I've seen in shotguns is the H&R Pardner Protector.... Inexpensive (about 50% of the 870, and more durable).

H&R is a Remington affiliated company, hence the Pardner is an 870 clone. All 870 aftermarket stuff will bolt right on. The exception is the barrel. The H&R uses a different barrel mounting (as strong or stronger, but different).

I own one. It's the fire ax of shotguns. Utterly reliable, but no frills. At $200 or less, it can't be beat on value. It has a Parkized finish (phosphate), which is far more durable and corrosion resistant than ordinary bluing.

Below my photo is a link to a review.



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/ralph/gun-review-hr-1871-pardner-pump-protector-12-gauge/

[Gman]

It's a shame that 14" shotguns are considered NFA or whatever you call you 200 tax stamp thing you have to apply for with short shotties/rifles and suppressors in the USA.  The Mossberg 590 14" is my primary shotgun, and with the 4 round speed stock and side saddle, I can run with 15 rounds on the gun itself, and still have something short and maneuverable for fighting inside buildings and structures.  The slightly longer 590 is still a pretty amazing tool, as of course is any 870, but try and get the actual Police variant, and not the cheapy express if you can afford it.  Honestly for the money I would say the 590 full length is my personal favorite, a 9 shot shotgun with excellent factory ghost ring sights, and a 4 round speed stock.  You can run 19 rounds on that shotgun with a side saddle as well.

The only downside is Mossberg 590's are a bit of a pain to break down and reassemble for cleaning, the 870 is far, far easier in this regard, and the 590 in comparison is like some sick twisted IQ test on spatial orientation.