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Offline GScholz

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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 07:51:01 AM »
MGFF > 520rpm or ~9rps with 60 rounds = almost 7 seconds

MG131 > 900rpm or 15rps with 1000 rounds = 66 seconds (no interrupter)


Wrong gun for E model.

MG17 > 1,200rpm with 1,000 rounds = 50 seconds (no synchronization)
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 08:37:34 AM »


Cultural traits in WWII

Germany = Organisational ability/Moral instability
Britain = Incompetence and Make do/Moral stability
USA = Make it work and throw money at it/Puritan work ethic
France = Long Bread
Italy = Pasta 

You forgot:

USSR: vodka!!!!
Japan: fighter pilots carrying swords
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 08:56:46 AM »
USSR: Make it work and throw people at it/Genocidal work ethic.
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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 09:08:40 AM »
Wrong gun for E model.

MG17 > 1,200rpm with 1,000 rounds = 50 seconds (no synchronization)

See what lack of morning coffee does. :x

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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 09:15:47 AM »
 :aok
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 12:23:02 PM »
USSR: Make it work and throw people at it/Genocidal work ethic.

Yes  :old:
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 12:35:26 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8bF6Xgb_Y

Interesting documentary, the myth into reality.

I prefer the reasoned approach of Richard Overy's excellent book "The Battle of Britain: The Myth and the Reality"...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Battle-Britain-Myth-Reality/dp/0393322971/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top


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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2013, 07:36:03 AM »
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2013, 05:41:12 PM »
L/W lost BoB for loads of reasons, all of which have been well argued previously:-

1. Hitler insisted on fighters escorting bombers closely at same altitude ie without height advantage.

2. British Radar.

3. Change in German target priority from airfields to London, just when airfields were almost on their knees.

4. Home advantage - Brit pilots bailing safely were reused, L/W bailed sent to Canada & died listening to Leonard Cohen (unverified by WW2 sources).

5. Bf 109 short range - 20mins combat max over UK.

6. German over confidence in ability of Bf 110 and Ju87 which performed well in mainland Europe Blitzkreig, but suffered badly in BoB against decent fighters, well organised.

More to do with tactics and strategy than plane superiority. Interestingly Hurricane (clearly inferior to 109) was highest scoring UK fighter, above Spit.
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Re: Battle of Britain "The Real Story"
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2013, 05:54:59 PM »
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3. Change in German target priority from airfields to London, just when airfields were almost on their knees.

Only for 11 Group and even then it was not really that bad. There was only 1 airfield that was knocked out and that was a satellite field on the coast.

The USAAF changed priorities in 1944 to eliminating the Lw over ground targets and it worked for them. What hurt the Lw was not enough fighters so they could use a relay system like the USAAF did.