Strats Resupply Efficiency: A case study

[Lusche]

So pie-chart baking and analysis is your true hobby and it has nothing to do with
opinion, desire or anything?  

In some way, yes. Foremost it has something to do with curiosity. If you see my chart positing history, you will see that most of it had just been posted for information purposes, for example the big yearly stat reports. I started my very first analysis because was just curious about the distribution of fighter hit %.
Of course, when I'm arguing for or against something, I may use stats and charts to prove my point or to correct some myths.

You were playing last month, Snailman.

Ehmm yes. I was playing until I canceled my account. I did the last sorties in the first few days of May. Since then I'm not an AH subscriber any more.

[Arlo]

In some way, yes. Foremost it has something to do with curiosity. If you see my chart positing history, you will see that most of it had just been posted for information purposes, for example the big yearly stat reports. I started my very first analysis because was just curious about the distribution of fighter hit %.
Of course, when I'm arguing for or against something, I may use stats and charts to prove my point or to correct some myths.

I've seen your charts and analysis also involve presumption of factors you
could not actually chart or analyze .... but that's beside the point.

You appear to be in myth correction mode, so it's curious how you backed
down when I asked you what you are arguing for or against. I'm not against
such an argument. I may even be an ally.

Ehmm yes. I was playing until I canceled my account. I did the last sorties in the first few days of May. Since then I'm not an AH subscriber any more.

Too bad.

[Lusche]

You appear to be in myth correction mode, so it's curious how you backed
down when I asked you what you are arguing for or against.

I did what? 

[gyrene81]

i'm curious where you got the 90 minute trip in b29s...is that one way bomb and bail? or lower than 30,000 feet?

i'm also curious about the affects of the current strat system. maybe it's just that no one has done a 100% leveling of them yet, at least not while i've was online. haven't noticed anything like country wide dar down, or limited fuel and ords.

[Arlo]

I did what? 

Quote from: Arlo on Today at 14:03:59
You appear to be in myth correction mode, so it's curious how you backed
down when I asked you what you are arguing for or against.

If you're not supporting a solution, need for a solution or lack of need for
a solution what is the point of your observation?

[wrench]

You think that actual statistical facts involving math will change the perception of people in this game.

I do enjoy your fact finding though keep it coming.

While working projects I hear all kinds of opinions. What it takes to sway these opinionated people is facts and data. Even if looking at data doesn't get the reaction you hoped for, it still makes a difference.

Thanks Lusche, what you do does help, even if it may not appear to.

[Lusche]

If you're not supporting a solution, need for a solution or lack of need for
a solution what is the point of your observation?

Does someone really needs an agenda when trying to clarify things or even to dispel some myths?
As I stated in my intital post, I have heard/read about this specific issue a few times. I knew it's not the way some people think, and I just posted a detailed explanation why. For informational purposes. That's all.

Maybe I#m old fashioned. I believe in knowledge & reason. I have the time at hands, and to discover facts, to find out how things work, to program tools that help me doing so is just fun  


And on the subscriber/non subscriber thing: I always had the opinion that someone not paying & playing the game should show some restraint when asking for this & that to be changed in the game. You know, guys not having an account for years and still strongly opposing plane or GV wishes in the Wishlist forum and stuff like that

[Arlo]

Does someone really needs an agenda when trying to clarify things or even to dispel some myths?
As I stated in my intital post, I have heard/read about this specific issue a few times. I knew it's not the way some people think, and I just posted a detailed explanation why. For informational purposes. That's all.

Maybe I#m old fashioned. I believe in knowledge & reason. I have the time at hands, and to discover facts, to find out how things work, to program tools that help me doing so is just fun  


And on the subscriber/non subscriber thing: I always had the opinion that someone not paying & playing the game should show some restraint when asking for this & that to be changed in the game. You know, guys not having an account for years and still strongly opposing plane or GV wishes in the Wishlist forum and stuff like that

I'm not saying that because your account went inactive a few days ago that you
shouldn't post observations and opinions. I'm engaging you about whether you
have an opinion as to whether your observation supports a working system or a
broken one and what you would recommend in either case (even a working system
may require a specific approach to make it more beneficial). If all you wanted to do
was post something for others to appreciate and use, that's fine, as well. 

[Myg]

Does someone really needs an agenda when trying to clarify things or even to dispel some myths?
As I stated in my intital post, I have heard/read about this specific issue a few times. I knew it's not the way some people think, and I just posted a detailed explanation why. For informational purposes. That's all.

Maybe I#m old fashioned. I believe in knowledge & reason. I have the time at hands, and to discover facts, to find out how things work, to program tools that help me doing so is just fun  


And on the subscriber/non subscriber thing: I always had the opinion that someone not paying & playing the game should show some restraint when asking for this & that to be changed in the game. You know, guys not having an account for years and still strongly opposing plane or GV wishes in the Wishlist forum and stuff like that

Look, everything is an agenda; the only difference is wether your agenda is trying to replace the one you are contradicting or not. If you plan to construct some idealogical following based on your observations to divert from the main unified flow, then we have a problem. Otherwise, post away in happiness and joy!

[bustr]

i'm curious where you got the 90 minute trip in b29s...is that one way bomb and bail? or lower than 30,000 feet?

i'm also curious about the affects of the current strat system. maybe it's just that no one has done a 100% leveling of them yet, at least not while i've was online. haven't noticed anything like country wide dar down, or limited fuel and ords.

I helped the FB's level the Bish strat one late night with a 60 bomber mission. After that it was a cake walk to flatten Bish bases if you targeted the fighter and GV hangers first.

The current strat setup would have been ideal for the AH1 Rook Joint Squad Operations on Sunday nights before ENY was introduced. 300+ players in bombers and fighters from rookland swamping the strats of bish\nitland at the same time bombing both down to zero along with the HQ's. The Rook squad leaders back then proved numbers count in this game. And that you can find a way to organize hundreds of players to show up one evening a week without anyone finding out what is going on.

I think at the moment our game's average mental scale of reward to effort is smaller than the enormous sand boxes we are currently running around in. Who we were when Lusche first started playing this game is not who we are now. As a body the players lobbied in here over that time for larger and larger maps, or a bigger environment to play in. For a short time we filled that environment because average LWMA populations were 400+ most nights. At this juncture we have organically pulled back and our actions tend to stall across 2 or 3 specific fronts comprised of 2-5 fields augmented with CV if they are close enough.

Larger maps give the illusion our tootsie pop really does last longer even if our scope of play scale at each front is primarily 2-5 fields. Small maps maximize our smaller mental scale of reward to effort robbing us of the illusion that our fun can last all night long. A short period of maximum fun then, oopsies, someone wins the map due to the sandbox is scaled to the current energies of the players.

Makes me wonder if shortening the map rotation cycle for each map to 48 hours or 72 hours would be a good thing at this juncture. The player base in this game aren't much different than the 5 cats I have in my house. They get bored with toys quickly and signal that in many unproductive ways when their tipping point is reached.

Like our current conversation. 

[uptown]

Put the snail dude on the payroll 

[Lusche]

i'm curious where you got the 90 minute trip in b29s...is that one way bomb and bail? or lower than 30,000 feet?

There was a foot note in my original post. That's real sortie times. I have flown 168 out of my 332 strategic attacks from Sept 12 to early May 13  in B-29s and kept detailed logs. My average B-29 mission duration was 102 minutes, but that includes a lot of City busting sorties which took a lot longer. My average initial bombing altitude was 28k. If some would like to see it, I could easily post a chart or two showing the summary of my bomb runs with all necessary information.


Edit: For the 3- factory attack in the example, I used to select the 8x2k loadout. My average mission duration for my 40+ strat attacks with this specific loadout was 97 minutes @ averagly 27.5k bombing altitude.

i'm also curious about the affects of the current strat system. maybe it's just that no one has done a 100% leveling of them yet, at least not while i've was online. haven't noticed anything like country wide dar down, or limited fuel and ords.

The strats just increases the max downtime of items, up to 120 additional minutes if the corresponding strat is at 0%. If the ammo factory is at 75%, porked ords will stay down for 60 instad of 30 minutes. If the factory had been at 50%, the downtime would be 90 minutes.
And getting a factory down to 75% is easy to achieve. With the B-29, you can either drop 2 factories to ~50% with 4K bombs, or 3 to 70-75% with 8x2k bombs. TZhe City requires far more bombs, but a good strike with 56x250lbs loadout can cut it down to 40-50%, resulting in town downtimes of 90-102 minutes. That's a lot more m3 runs your enemy suddenly needs to bring the town back up.

[icepac]

I agree with lusche.

I do think HQ needs some adjustment as drove a tank to enemy hq just as somebody destroyed it and watched 5 loads of C47 bring it back up within 15 minutes as I kept trains from reaching it.

[lyric1]

Lusche X. 

[pembquist]

Look, everything is an agenda; the only difference is wether your agenda is trying to replace the one you are contradicting or not. If you plan to construct some idealogical following based on your observations to divert from the main unified flow, then we have a problem. Otherwise, post away in happiness and joy!

His "agenda" is to satisfy his curiosity as to what is really happening.  If the facts contradict a theory than that theory isn't valid.  Its one of the bases of scientific inquiry.