War Thunder

[titanic3]

Watch out Dolbs, something's biting your ankle.

[gyrene81]

lol, everyone here knows as far as Titanic is concerned, if the pig looks good, that's all that matters.

There are people who came from IL-2 hardcore servers and these guys are real threat whatever they fly as they used to play in hardcore environment.

now there is an interesting statement. i played il2 "hardcore" for a short time and when i switched to ah i found out that "hardcore" unrealistic flight models are nothing compared to realistic flight models. been getting my arse handed to me ever since.

as far as the fm's in wt...it's common knowledge that a good number of them currently have "placeholder" flight models that are incomplete. and with the new "upgrade system", a base plane does not operate near it's real life performance, until all of the available upgrades are added.

[Arlo]

Flight models aren't easy, I've been told.

[-aper-]

now there is an interesting statement. i played il2 "hardcore" for a short time and when i switched to ah i found out that "hardcore" unrealistic flight models are nothing compared to realistic flight models. been getting my arse handed to me ever since.

as far as the fm's in wt...it's common knowledge that a good number of them currently have "placeholder" flight models that are incomplete. and with the new "upgrade system", a base plane does not operate near it's real life performance, until all of the available upgrades are added.

I'm talking about realistic (hardcore) environment. Playing without icons is a big difference to AH Main Arena you might realized already if you've played WT or IL-2.
Nothing wrong if you Like AH Main Arena - it is good for you and good for HTC. If HTC switch off icons, killshooter and turn on friendly midair collisions three quarters of players will quit on the spot.

But if you like to learn something new WT FRB  is a good place for getting some new experience.

P.S.
As for FM's - I believe nothing wrong to use placeholders if modeling variants of existing planes (like the FM of La-5 is based on La-5FN with few adjustments)
If you think that all the planes are similar in WT you are very wrong. Take MiG-3, then Hurricane I, then He-112A, then LaGG-3 - you will see how different they are.

[gyrene81]

I'm talking about realistic (hardcore) environment. Playing without icons is a big difference to AH Main Arena you might realized already if you've played WT or IL-2.
Nothing wrong if you Like AH Main Arena - it is good for you and good for HTC. If HTC switch off icons, killshooter and turn on friendly midair collisions three quarters of players will quit on the spot.

But if you like to learn something new WT FRB  is a good place for getting some new experience.

ya i know what you meant and flight models make a huge difference. and i've played no icons, limited distance icons, etc...and wt frb? been there done that. in ah flying a c202 i can put up a good fight against 2 p40e's...in wt, the p40e's flew like yak3s and the c202 flew like a brick.

P.S.
As for FM's - I believe nothing wrong to use placeholders if modeling variants of existing planes (like the FM of La-5 is based on La-5FN with few adjustments)
If you think that all the planes are similar in WT you are very wrong. Take MiG-3, then Hurricane I, then He-112A, then LaGG-3 - you will see how different they are.

never said the fm's were all the same...i said they were all wrong. getting better but, of the ones i've played, a couple are still off even after permanently disabling the instructor. haven't played much since the last patch so i don't know what has been improved or nerfed.

[zack1234]

Aper your talking tosh!

I play ROF with no icons etc

I had beta invite for WT it was appalling.

777 has got involved because the Russians cannot understand the concept of the market place

Gameplay?

WT cannot even get the basic right

Wings of Prey - @#$/
Il2 - #$$$/
ROF -#@#$ before a colonial got involved

AH log on - awesome concept

[FLOOB]

I like how biplanes in warthunder cant turn as well at low speeds as monoplanes. I guess they figure the more expensive planes should handle better. And talk about ack huggers, you think AH is bad, that's pretty much all full real battles is. In warthunder you can buy powerups for your planes, like improved trigger and firing mechanisms for your plane, lol. And graphics are overly detailed yet human visual accuity and ergonomics isn't modeled at all, which results in always flying in soup ala IL2. Because the game is designed to be played in external view mode fuel gauges don't work, not sure which gauges work, there's HUD telling you how many minutes of fuel you have.

[FLOOB]

I'm talking about realistic (hardcore) environment. Playing without icons is a big difference to AH Main Arena you might realized already if you've played WT or IL-2.
Nothing wrong if you Like AH Main Arena - it is good for you and good for HTC. If HTC switch off icons, killshooter and turn on friendly midair collisions three quarters of players will quit on the spot.

But if you like to learn something new WT FRB  is a good place for getting some new experience.

P.S.
As for FM's - I believe nothing wrong to use placeholders if modeling variants of existing planes (like the FM of La-5 is based on La-5FN with few adjustments)
If you think that all the planes are similar in WT you are very wrong. Take MiG-3, then Hurricane I, then He-112A, then LaGG-3 - you will see how different they are.

Yeah, no killshooter and no paid subscription requirement to filter out the riff-raff. I'll leave the results of that to your imagination.

[scott66]

-aper-  I disagree about your assumption with the percentages of people leaving AH

[dhyran]

.......
WT cannot even get the basic right

Wings of Prey - @#$/
Il2 - #$$$/
ROF -#@#$ before a colonial got involved

AH log on - awesome concept

Heya Zack,

that smell like fanboi §$% because they having over 3 million downloads, over 260000 active Forum Member, most online was over 19000 ppl on the forum, ingame most onle was 85000 as peak, currently average are 41000 during the week. So they running their business fine and making good money. They never being focused onto the complete sim scene, they went where the money is, and nothing wrong with that! Anyhow, even the pure native FRB got over 600 ppl average online each day, and much more intresting is the new event concept with historical plane setups, like BoB or Midway or battle of Korsun etc.

well,
after a lot years of flying Warbirds (started 1999) and AH2 (2007) i was invited to WT in december 2011. During the time i was mod and gamemaster and build as FM dev a lot of modells. First of all, it is fun! The new events mode with historical correct planesets are great fun! But the best part of WT is, that it simply brings new players into the sim scene, which would never come to the idea to buy IL2:BoS, or even preorder it, but they are dragged into the dogfight spirit which catches all of us one time long ago. Thats WT biggest point. It brings the "mouse shooters"  to a point where they decide, "ok now i wanna really fly, i need a hotas and track IR". The current daily potential with around 35000- 45000 players online is bigger than any pure sim could ever deliver.  
 
No other game brings in some many fresh blood into the scene like WT does!
 
Run FRB or some custom battle and it is fun, and thats what it is about

Last and not least, i meet every day a lot of old AH2 players at WT some are full into it, playing each day over 8h ..... and yes, i also preorderd IL2:Bos and being very intrested into it becasue i am a prophead, i love flightsims, i love the experiance to try something new. All i can say, try out things, like it or like it not, play it or play it, or don't play, but don't take position as a fanboi, Intel or AMD??? Really? As long you got over 60 frames in full HD who cares the rest?

take care

[Arlo]

Heya Zack,

that smell like fanboi §$%

This is the Aces High forum and the Aces High community.

Fact, no other game brings in some many fresh blood into the scene like WT does actually!

'that smell like fanboi §$%' that belongs on the WT forum for the WT community. I'd recommend 'fan posturing' of this nature there. In 15 years, we can re-measure reproductive organs.

  

[dhyran]

This is the Aces High forum and the Aces High community.

'that smell like fanboi §$%' that belongs on the WT forum for the WT community. I'd recommend 'fan posturing' of this nature there. In 15 years, we can re-measure reproductive organs.

   

hahahaaa maybe, but you can't cheat with those numbers they are dragging in, i installed AH2 on my both sons PCs, they find the graphics outdated, and sure its not cool if you play your daddys games ;-)
but they played WT, because it offers some easy access and got great graphics, but they hate the FRB no icon settings, so we never play the same game, i hang out at FRB events and they play arcade or HB...

AH got 13900 member on this forum, Most Online Today: 62. Most Online Ever: 351 (April 02, 2008, 09:09:15 PM) , just compare those numbers with the WT numbers, over 260000 active Forum Member, most online was over 19000 ppl on the forum, ingame most onle was 85000 as peak, simple conclusion, they must doing something right

[Arlo]

hahahaaa maybe, but you can't cheat with those numbers they are dragging in, i installed AH2 on my both sons PCs, they find the graphics outdated, and sure its not cool if you play your daddys games ;-)
but they played WT, because it offers some easy access and got great graphics, but they hate the FRB no icon settings, so we never play the same game, i hang out at FRB events and they play arcade or HB...

AH got 13900 member on this forum, Most Online Today: 62. Most Online Ever: 351 (April 02, 2008, 09:09:15 PM) , just compare those numbers with the WT numbers, over 260000 active Forum Member, most online was over 19000 ppl on the forum, ingame most onle was 85000 as peak, simple conclusion, they must doing something right

I guess my points were either poorly aimed or your capacity to understand them is currently struggling. You're over here parading WT on the Aces High forum and calling players here who support this game (over WT) 'fanbois' - all the while shaking pom-poms for WT and whizzing all over this forum, game and community.

Are you representative of the WT community when it comes to poor manners, ill-conceived recruiting campaigns and ironic gestures?

WT is enjoying a large capacity of online players that are curious about this free-to-play game that is new. But don't pretend to ignore that Aces High is a game that has been supported and continuously developed for 15 years with a community that is loyal. Coming over here to behave in an asinine manner is not going to endear the AH crowd (overall). Like I said, 15 years from now AHII may or may not be around (though I'd be willing to bet it would still have members of this community that maintain fond memories and miss both the game and community, if it does go the way of Air Warrior - where I got my start). If you don't grow up over that period of time and WT is still around with the same degree of support AHII has always enjoyed, measure your crotch then and hope others are as impressed as you are with it.

[dhyran]

I guess my points were either poorly aimed or your capacity to understand them is currently struggling. You're over here parading WT on the Aces High forum and calling players here who support this game (over WT) 'fanbois' - all the while shaking pom-poms for WT and whizzing all over this forum, game and community.

Are you representative of the WT community when it comes to poor manners, ill-conceived recruiting campaigns and ironic gestures?

WT is enjoying a large capacity of online players that are curious about this free-to-play game that is new. But don't pretend to ignore that Aces High is a game that has been supported and continuously developed for 15 years with a community that is loyal. Coming over here to behave in an asinine manner is not going to endear the AH crowd (overall). Like I said, 15 years from now AHII may or may not be around (though I'd be willing to bet it would still have members of this community that maintain fond memories and miss both the game and community, if it does go the way of Air Warrior - where I got my start). If you don't grow up over that period of time and WT is still around with the same degree of support AHII has always enjoyed, measure your crotch then and hope others are as impressed as you are with it.

oh my, did you read my posting? Well, just to remember, in 2007 the AH2 scoreboard shows over 6000 players monthly, when i left in 2012 it was down to around 3800, just figure out the last main scoreboard from september 2013: around 2300 (it may vary, important is the overall aspect of loosing players)
I saw the same downhill race over at WB, yes, their server is still active, you find around 30 players online each night there.... sad but the truth. The simple question is, will they change something to stop this trend?
A couple of new flightsims like IL2:BoS and DCS:ww2 will drag more numbers away, like it or like it not, call me names, it don't change anything! Like i said, i preorderd allready IL2 BoS and i will order the next gen sim in 2018, because the flight sim market is coming back!

[scott66]

I'm not going anywhere dhyran ..I think it shows poor taste to be pushing WT in here..