Fix the Dora!!

[Karnak]

2radiators = twice the chance to get a radiator hit. They were not redundant afaik.

The twice the chance to get hit is modeled, the cutoff valve that closed if one was leaking is not.  You couldn't run at MIL for long on one radiator, but you could fly home.

[Wmaker]

Pervert's evidence was met by the usual "nothing needs to be fixed" answer from HTC.

I don't recall any reply from HTC in the previous threads? Did I miss one?

[Zacherof]

The twice the chance to get hit is modeled, the cutoff valve that closed if one was leaking is not.  You couldn't run at MIL for long on one radiator, but you could fly home.

they could probally model like fuel, shift+S to switch radiators or something.

[mthrockmor]

I have never seen a reply from HTC on this issue.

There are two discussions going now. The first engages real life attributes of the Dora with duel radiators. This means twice the chance of getting a radiator hit versus redundancy. I am not engaging in this discussion.

The second, and the original post has to do with the coding of the computer model in AH. I am not a Dora aficionado though it is clear, when you get hit a disproportionate number of times you will get a radiator hit first. Everyone knows this. It is a coding error. Just like a fighter going 500knts, pulling high Gs at 20k gets hit with CV flak on the first burst. AH has worked to correct this error.

Pervert took the time to land a Dora, then drive up to it in a jeep and shoot at it with the .50 cal. He clearly demonstrated that hits on the Dora that do not correlate with the radiator would infact cause a radiator leak. For me the most obvious, if you hit the propeller spinner it would cause a radiator leak.

Much as the Ki-84 apparently loses flaps above a certain speed, regardless; the La gets pilot wounds like candy at Halloween; CV puffy ack could take out a rapidly jinking fighter at 20k BVR while buffs receive almost no damage; the Dora gets a radiator leak just looking at it.

These are coding discussions.

boo

[icepac]

I don't.HO

It was ground fire. Literally the only ping I took...voila....radiator.

boo

What kind of ground fire.

Most ground fire you take is usually 20mm or larger so getting a leaking radiator sounds like something to be happy with considering the amount of damage most of the weapons we have shooting from the ground could inflict in real life with a single hit.

I shot a dora nearly point blank on the spinner with a HE 75mm round as a strafer flew right down the barrel of a m4 tank and he simply flew off with a little bit of smoke.......engine still running.

[bustr]

What is the average results of hitting any inline engine of our fighters forward of the firewall? Has anyone tested all of them to present a Lusche style presentation?

What was the result in WW2?

Are our odds of hitting in the damage area in question for the D9 set too high. I fly thru ack, HO, and bomber defensive gunnery in many other inline engine fighters and do not receive the same frequency of oil or radiator damage hits.

It might help to run a jeep up to all fighters single and twin in this game with inline engines and perform the pervert test. Preferably single taps and counting rnds\dmg. Then you would have something to work with. Aside from the IL2 what kind's of armor solutions are in place for each of the testing list historically?

I'm sorry if this seems involved. I performed something similar offline with the drone circle and the 50cal on the YakT. The D9 was surprisingly weak in the lower part of the area in front of the firewall. K4 were much tougher. I haven't tested it lately but, P47 caught fire easily shooting them underneath just back of the firewall in the same test.

Something to think about. From the 8th AAF analysis of fighter damage\loss and small arms fire and light ack. Hitech is giving us a free pass over auto ack at fields. Sadly the D9 in this game damages about as frequently and easily as the loss and damage analysis disturbingly showed. So what do you want. Realism and all fighters get more vulnerable or game play centric and the D9 gets dolled up?

1.- all get real
2.- D9 dolled up

Wonder if the D9 is a programing oversight or a test of our sincerity and tolerance for more realism?

[Babalonian]

For all of the improvements, new birds etc there is one glaring error in the existing planeset: The Dora's radiator.

It has been well discussed. Pervert went so far as to post a graphic showing how the radiator in-game extends well beyond the radiator in real life. A hit on the nose cone sets of the radiator, as an example.

Of course, I flew the Dora yesterday and took the 'one-ping wonder' hit in the radiator. There is ZERO chance the Dora was this 'nancy' in real life. Please, fix it! It should be about 60-seconds worth of coding.

boo

If they're not fixing it now because it will get some major loving "soon"™©®, I can wait. 

[hotcoffe]

+1 Dora radiator fix

[Skuzzy]

Pervert's evidence was met by the usual "nothing needs to be fixed" answer from HTC.

Care to show me that quote?

I cannot find it and I am certain HiTech would not appreciate anyone from HTC making such a statement, given the fact it flies in the face of our support policies.

[VonMessa]

Care to show me that quote?

I cannot find it and I am certain HiTech would not appreciate anyone from HTC making such a statement, given the fact it flies in the face of our support policies.

Pun intended?

[SirNuke]

Care to show me that quote?

I cannot find it and I am certain HiTech would not appreciate anyone from HTC making such a statement, given the fact it flies in the face of our support policies.

You're right I cannot quote it. Even without the specific quote the actions talked for themselves, the problem was never acknowledged as one and nothing has been done about it. But its nice to have someone looking at this thread.

On another topic, what is the repercussion of loosing 1 of 2 radiators on those V12 engines? Can the engine still run at a lower rate?

[Karnak]

On another topic, what is the repercussion of loosing 1 of 2 radiators on those V12 engines? Can the engine still run at a lower rate?

No.  None of them have a shutoff valve modeled.  They lose all radiator fluid just like a Spitfire Mk I or V.

[SirNuke]

No.  None of them have a shutoff valve modeled.  They lose all radiator fluid just like a Spitfire Mk I or V.

I meant in real life

[BluBerry]

+1 fix the Dora.. and the 152 radiator as well, its just as bad.

oh and while HTC is fixing them.. please add some bullet holes to the 152 glass.. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,349958.0.html.. can't be too hard.

[EagleDNY]

+1 - I know much of the evidence is "anecdotal", but when enough people see it happening there is often something to it.