New German TD's

[firemike]

Hi all, just wanted to get everyone's opinion on the new German TD's coming to us in the patch. I've played one of these three in World of Tanks, the Hetzer. In that game it's a great little tank, but I wonder how it will perform in Aces High. Down below I will put specs based on what I can find for all three.


Hetzer:
Service history
In service   1944–1945
Used by   Nazi Germany
Hungary
Czechoslovakia (ST-I)
Switzerland (G-13)
Wars   World War II
Production history
Designer   Škoda
Designed   1943
Manufacturer   Böhmisch-Mährische Maschinenfabrik, Škoda
Produced   4 March 1944 – 11 May 1945
Number built   Approx. 2827
Variants   See Variants
Specifications
Weight   15.75 tonnes (34,722 lb)
Length   6.38 m (20 ft 11 in)
Width   2.63 m (8 ft 8 in)
Height   2.17 m (7 ft 1 in)
Crew   4
Armor   8-60 mm (0.31-2.36 in)
Main
armament   1x 7.5 cm PaK 39 L/48
41 rounds
Secondary
armament   1× 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
1,200 rounds
Engine   Praga 6-cylinder petrol, 7.8 litres
160 PS (158 hp, 118 kW) at 2,800 rpm
Power/weight   10 PS/tonne
Transmission   5 + 1 Praga-Wilson Typ CV
Suspension   leaf spring
Ground clearance   40 cm (1 ft 4 in)
Fuel capacity   320 litres (85 US gal)
Operational
range   177 km (110 mi)
Speed   42 km/h (26 mph)

Jagdpanzer IV:
Production history
Produced   December 1943 – April 1945
Number built   about 2,000
Specifications (Jagdpanzer IV/70(V)[1])
Weight   25.8 tonnes (28.4 short tons; 25.4 long tons)
Length   8.5 m (27 ft 11 in)
Width   3.17 m (10 ft 5 in)
Height   1.85 m (6 ft 1 in)
Crew   4
Armor   10–80 mm (0.39–3.1 in)
Main
armament   1x 7.5 cm Pak 42 L/70
55 rounds
Secondary
armament   1x 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
600 rounds
Engine   Maybach HL 120 TRM
300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW)
Power/weight   11.63 PS/tonne
Suspension   Leaf springs
Operational
range   210 km (130 mi)

Jagdpanther:
Production history
Produced   1944–1945
Number built   415
Variants   G1, G2
Specifications
Weight   45.5 tonnes (100,300 lb)
Length   9.87 m (32 ft 5 in)
Width   3.42 m (11 ft 3 in)
Height   2.71 m (8 ft 11 in)
Crew   5
Armor   80 mm (3.14 in) frontal
100 mm (3.93 in) mantlet
45mm side
40mm rear
Main
armament   1 × 8.8 cm Pak 43/3 or 43/4 L/71
57 rounds
Secondary
armament   1 × 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
600 rounds
Engine   Maybach HL230 P30 (V-12 petrol)
700 PS (690 hp, 515 kW)
Power/weight   15.4 PS/tonne
Suspension   dual torsion bar
Operational
range   160 km (99 miles)
Speed   46 km/h (28.6 mph)


All of the info here was taken from wikipedia. I might also add armor stats for the first two tanks on the list, since they are not listed in their respective specs.

Front/Sides/Rear, Keep in mind this is general.

Hetzer: 60/20/8

Jagdpanzer IV:80/40/20

[TDeacon]

FYI, this has already been discussed to a significant degree in an existing thread; in particular see TDeacon's posts in the middle regarding tactical speculations, and SmokinLoon's post near the end regarding gunnery characteristics:  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,350527.30.html

MH

[BuckShot]

Will these have HE rounds too?

[Zacherof]

Will these have HE rounds too?

I'm going to assume that yes they will.

[SmokinLoon]

Will these have HE rounds too?

I have no doubt that they will have HE rounds available.  Question is though just how much?  I'd like to think HTC would limit their HE capability but then again the Germans were the best at taking something meant for 1 thing and using it for 10 things and using it for those 10 things very effectively.  Both the Firefly and M18 can take HE aplenty.

Oh, and I'd like to suggest to the O/P to not compare WoT to AH.  They are 2 very different monsters and you'd do yourself a favor to not compare the two.  Leave all you think you know to be true with WoT.