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Offline Letalis

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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2013, 04:47:40 PM »
It would appear that among her kills are no less than 3 German aces with a combined 123 kills to their credit.   :O
Not too shabby.  Can I make this wish a +10?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Litvyak
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2013, 04:54:17 PM »
It would appear that among her kills are no less than 3 German aces with a combined 123 kills to their credit.   :O
Not too shabby.  Can I make this wish a +10?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Litvyak
And if that's the case I have much respect for her.


Anyone know which female ace shot down some poor German sap(who was riddled with medals) who upon being captured was in disbelief to be shot down by a women?
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2013, 04:58:25 PM »
And if that's the case I have much respect for her.


Anyone know which female ace shot down some poor German sap(who was riddled with medals) who upon being captured was in disbelief to be shot down by a women?
Lydia Litvyak.  Her first fighter kill.
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2013, 06:58:05 PM »
Lydia Litvyak.  Her first fighter kill.
I had a feeling that might be her
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2013, 07:27:15 PM »
This is better than 10 years ago when the story was, she watched her boyfriend shot down over their field in a duel with a 109. Later out of grief she dove into superior numbers to avenge her dead boyfriend with her life.

In 2000 a Swiss special on Russian female pilots showed one who had been wounded twice, bailed out after a fight with overwhelming numbers, and survived the war in Switzerland as a wife and mother up to 2000 at the time. She was identified by a surviving ww2 female pilot who had flown with her after watching the Swiss special. The current Russian government stayed silent.

To make things weirder. That photo looks like my mother from around 1952 when she was 21.

Just leave this as the Russian's had female combat pilots in ww2 and this one shot down a few Germans. Just like they had female snipers and female combat troops. Russia needed the numbers for Boss Stalin to whup Hitler. Along the way the political officers didn't miss any opportunity to create hero's for the people to be inspired by. She was allowed to place flowers in her cockpit which is where the nicknames white Lilly and white Rose come in. In a letter found years later to her mother, it seems she wasn't even in love with her dead boyfriend. But, it was good PR for the "People".

She was a combat pilot.
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2013, 09:32:52 PM »
Methinks you're being excessively cynical, bustr.

Yes, the Soviets were prone to that kind of thing, but not everything they did was that.  She did fight to get posted to a combat unit and I have no doubt that she got at least some of the claimed kills, certainly she convinced at least one German ace that it was she who shot him down.  I've never seen the boyfriend thing as you describe and given it took nearly 50 years for her to get Hero of the Soviet Union I don't think the political commissars were pushing her that hard.
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2013, 09:44:56 PM »
Come on now, have a little respect, Zach.


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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2013, 09:52:20 PM »
In a letter found years later to her mother, it seems she wasn't even in love with her dead boyfriend. But, it was good PR for the "People".



This is what she supposedly told her mother in that letter.
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2013, 10:13:02 PM »
Cynical would be something different like challenging her kills status. She was a combat pilot.

A beautiful combat pilot who looked like a western movie star was not wasted by the political branch of the military. Her relationship with her hero pilot boyfriend was sanctioned for the war effort PR value. Allowing the flowers in the cockpit as her trademark was no different than special nose art for Heros of the Fatherland and American Aces on war bond tours or the red baron's colorful paint schemes in the minds of the war weary populations in need of hero's.

Grow up. War is a dirty business and you don't play house in combat units. That gets assets killed who otherwise are supposed to be defending their country and not making whoopi stories for the masses. Consider the German PR value of capturing her alive, or killing her in the middle of all this sanctioned playing house. Or the value to motivating the masses on Stalin's side from the tragic deaths of the love birds if you need real cynicism by a historic master.

Stop filtering it from the romantic mind set of a modern American because the story sounds good. She was a combat pilot. 
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2013, 10:22:42 PM »
Well, I'd never heard the boyfriend angle at all until today and it still seems a minor sidebar.  What I'd read is that she was a pilot who had pushed to get into combat and once there found a measure of success before dying in a one on many fight.  Yes, I knew the "Lily of Stalingrad" angle was for propaganda, but I really don't see why you ding the Soviets so much for that when the US, UK and Germany were just as prone to using anything good for propaganda purposes.
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2013, 11:37:33 PM »
Well, I'd never heard the boyfriend angle at all until today and it still seems a minor sidebar.  What I'd read is that she was a pilot who had pushed to get into combat and once there found a measure of success before dying in a one on many fight.  Yes, I knew the "Lily of Stalingrad" angle was for propaganda, but I really don't see why you ding the Soviets so much for that when the US, UK and Germany were just as prone to using anything good for propaganda purposes.
that means thbook I read was farce :old:
damn russkies :rofl


And redbull I do respect her skillset, and semi-good looks. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this view.

I've actually heard the hero story always though it funky
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2013, 11:39:18 PM »
Something my parents always taught me, am I'm sure yours might have at one point or another too...


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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2013, 11:42:11 PM »
Something my parents always taught me, am I'm sure yours might have at one point or another too...


Never speak ill of the dead, especially someone who - in life - did so many amazing things :aok
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Re: If added, Yak-1 default skin in Lydia Litvyak's colors
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2013, 11:29:58 AM »
Just as we add skins for folks who had relatives who flew in WW2 we should add skins that have stories, because the stories are about the only things left. And a touch of sentiment when you bust a 109 at close range in a plane flown long ago by a tough gal would be a fine touch indeed. I think shes a good lookin gal myself and a one v many fight is my fight anyway.  :salute
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