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Offline Nypsy

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Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« on: July 08, 2013, 01:29:49 PM »
Very cool video of the hovering rocket.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGimzB5QM1M

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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 01:34:53 PM »
Really cool footage! And they brought it down without a chute. How cool is that! Makes me wonder what kind of 'moon-landing' type history I'll see in my lifetime.
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2013, 01:48:11 PM »
Really cool footage! And they brought it down without a chute. How cool is that! Makes me wonder what kind of 'moon-landing' type history I'll see in my lifetime.

I think this video means that the next moon landing they will use no chute.
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2013, 03:57:23 PM »
I think this video means that the next moon landing they will use no chute.

Please tell me this is a joke.

The moon has no atmosphere and a chute does not work.  Did you mean the next Mars landing will be without a chute maybe?
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 04:43:16 PM »
Please tell me this is a joke.

The moon has no atmosphere and a chute does not work.  Did you mean the next Mars landing will be without a chute maybe?

It is a joke
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 08:10:05 PM »
That's amazing.

Almost as amazing is the hexacopter used to film the test.
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 09:14:41 PM »


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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2013, 10:17:22 PM »
Paging 20 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm0tR96lAgw

I remember feeling enthusiastic about DC-X when it was being tested... then I read this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zy.html

I hope Elon Musk's is a different story, but landing from the outer atmosphere looks just a little more difficult that what we see with the grasshopper demonstrator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_cjfk5v1k

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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 01:53:38 AM »
Elon Musk isn't trying to go single stage to orbit, but multiple recoverable stages. Each stage lands and is reusable. Could work.
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 03:53:24 AM »
Rubbish! It landed on exactly the same spot it took off from. What use is that?  :old:

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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 08:43:40 AM »
   I think it's Fuelish.  :headscratch:
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 09:21:28 AM »
   I think it's Fuelish.  :headscratch:

Using a few tons more fuel could be less expensive than having to rebuild all those complicated engines each time. It all depends on how much more fuel they'll need, and how cheap they can refurbish those engines. A Soyuz-2 market cost is about $40-50 million per launch. Less than half a million of that is fuel.
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Re: Spacex's Grasshopper in action
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2013, 12:10:48 PM »
I remember feeling enthusiastic about DC-X when it was being tested... then I read this article:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zy.html

I hope Elon Musk's is a different story, but landing from the outer atmosphere looks just a little more difficult that what we see with the grasshopper demonstrator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_cjfk5v1k
It is.  Even Delta Clipper did not do what the F9R is intended to do: come straight down at terminal velocity till last few seconds.

Using a few tons more fuel could be less expensive than having to rebuild all those complicated engines each time. It all depends on how much more fuel they'll need, and how cheap they can refurbish those engines. A Soyuz-2 market cost is about $40-50 million per launch. Less than half a million of that is fuel.
The critical thing isn't fuel but the vehicle actually doing the that up & back again flight plan reliably, and then the economics working.   According to Musk & co reusable hardware ballast == 40% payload penalty.  The plan is to make dry mass pay itself off to the point that fuel, which is currently in the costs noise, is actually one of the major operating costs... IOW like it is for airliners.
The other way round: imagine if airliners were single-use.  Thrown away after each flight.



Rubbish! It landed on exactly the same spot it took off from. What use is that?  :old:


They'll do it soon enough, probably with Grasshopper 2 that's going to start flying from Spaceport America not too long from now (the current FAA height limit at the Texas pad is right around this latest test flight's max alt; SPA's limit is supposed to be way higher and Musk & co mentioned way higher alts for upcoming GH2, in the k-ft's.. also IIRC Musk said they'd go hypersonic with GH2).  Not long (but not too recently either) ago the NGLLC race had Armadillo (Carmack & co) and Masten  and others making lots of from-scratch progress doing this: flying up and translating, and back again, etc.
Then a few years later SpaceX decides it's not just flying conventional expendable rockets the way ULA etc have been for decades, but will basically fly upscaled Xombies.  Another fun parallel is the way (IIRC) Armadillo went from initial all-thrust return flight to parachutes, and SpaceX initially experimenting with chutes but eventually settling on all-thrust e.g. Grasshopper.


http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zy.html
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Space Cadets frequently claim that new materials like Al-Li or carbon-fiber composites as solving the weight problem, but they don't represent enough of an increase in strength/weight to make up for the massive increase in structural weight that wrapping an entire rocket stage in a heat shield implies. The DC-X was rebuilt as the DC-XA with composite propellant tanks, but its fuel fraction only went up to a pitiful 54%.
This article was written in 05.  Almost a decade ago.  Which is nothing considering that a decade's the ballpark for greenlighted projects to start bending metal/flying.  So, less than a decade later:
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tests-game-changing-composite-cryogenic-fuel-tank_marshall_news/#.UdOfqPnQlc4
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_07_08_2013_p18-592556.xml

And of course Skylon just cleared proof of concept for the biggest obstacle-item (pre-cooler), and should be doing actual full (whole assembly) SABRE practical proof either next, or soon in next few milestones.




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