A Simpler Time

[shoresroad]

If you've seen me fly, you know I don't fly with alt. You can usually find me at 1,000ft in most furballs. When I got to their base I was at 5K since I had just finished chasing a 190D around, but since none of them were leaving the ack I dropped down to 500ft to try and convince them to leave the ack. Some of them started to come out when I showed them my 6, but the second I started to turn they all turned around and went back to the ack. They could have easily of won the fight but they chose not to, and that bugs me when people don't take such a perfect opportunity to improve their skills.

They saw that yellow nose on your 109F, that's why they didn't come out to play

[Arlo]

They saw that yellow nose on your 109F, that's why they didn't come out to play

Yellow noses. That'll do it every time. 

[Triton28]

Well, I didn't say Latrobe doesn't fly just as he describes. Matter of fact, I pretty much repeated what he posted. I have no problem
with Latrobe's flying what-so-ever. He even sounds like the kinda player I can really enjoy flying with.

But, speaking of panty-ruffle .... Latrobe was having one. I mean, I'm glad that's the supposed
extent of it and all but I'm just not a whine-enabler. Never have been. You may want to consider it. But I will say he's not anywhere
close to the worst of the lot.

Ding dang pilots upping and circling in the safety of their ack which is too insurmountable an obstacle, them skeerdy pants.  

No offense.  

No.  You're apparently a little sore in the head from the HO shots you couldn't avoid, so you choose to become the moral authority of the BBS by claiming he can't value a fight, any fight, over multiple cons ack hugging in the MA.  To that end, you claim he's chest thumping and claiming bravery when in fact, he's responding to the OP.

This is the OP. 

This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.

It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity.  The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.

Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003. 

The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar.  The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.

So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours.  Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray. 

It would seem to me that Latrobe is responding to the OP (especially the bolded, underlined, and italicized part) and not just taking the opportunity to whine about ack or passively brag.

I don't mind the fast planes using their speed. It's what fast planes do, use your advantages. The thing that kind of bugs me is (like earlier today) when I'm at an enemy base alone, there are 2,3, maybe even 5 bad guys in the air.... but none of them want to leave their ack. You have me out numbered!! I DO NOT CARE if you bring all 5 of your planes to attack me all at once. Why hide in the ack when you have such a numerical advantage!!? That's really the only thing that bugs me about other people play styles. Other than that I do not mind how you fly your plane.

It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.

Your weird response:

If you are the sole plane at cruise speed that has alt over the lot, numerical advantage doesn't mean much unless you're prone to being suckered into a low and slow fight. Each one of those fighters that enjoy the huge advantage of numbers are likely low and slow and plump picking outside of their ack. That's 2, 3 or 5 easy kills. After some time there may have been a chance that one of them reached cruise speed and was co-alt. Did you bring enough fuel and patience for that possibility, oh 'look how scared they are of me?'  Other than that, why didn't you zoom through that ack and nail 1,2,3,4 or 5 of them? You may have gotten lucky.

P.S. If ya really want to blame someone, blame HT. There must have been a reason he modeled base ack like, I don't know, at least a small measure of vulch suppression? (And, really now, when has it really stopped that, entirely?) 

He doesn't want to vulch, dude.  He doesn't want to come on the BBS and tell you how awesome he is.  He wants to fight.  When people don't come out to fight even when they have numerical advantage (don't even start with your county fair guessing of their IAS.  E isn't locked away in a magical vault), that sucks to him.  Pretty simple, no?

[Arlo]

No.  You're apparently a little sore in the head from the HO shots you couldn't avoid, so you choose to become the moral authority of the BBS by claiming he can't value a fight, any fight, over multiple cons ack hugging in the MA.  To that end, you claim he's chest thumping and claiming bravery when in fact, he's responding to the OP.

He doesn't want to vulch, dude.  He doesn't want to come on the BBS and tell you how awesome he is.  He wants to fight.  When people don't come out to fight even when they have numerical advantage (don't even start with your county fair guessing of their IAS.  E isn't locked away in a magical vault), that sucks to him.  Pretty simple, no?

Funny how you mention 'moral authority' when that's basically what I'm amused about the most. 

I'm sorry, 'afraid to come out of ack' ... 'afraid to go into ack' ... 'lack of bravado' ... 'lack of skill' .... meh. I'm sure Latrobe is a great guy and a great stick (he doesn't pwn the game but my stats are taking a beating, themself). Just not seeing his lone critique of 'character weakness' in the game as anymore valid than any other offered up on the altar of 'lets find something useless to complain about.' 

[Triton28]

Funny how you mention 'moral authority' when that's basically what I'm amused about the most. 

I'm sorry, 'afraid to come out of ack' ... 'afraid to go into ack' ... 'lack of bravado' ... 'lack of skill' .... meh. I'm sure Latrobe is a great guy and a great stick (he doesn't pwn the game but my stats are taking a beating, themself). Just not seeing his lone critique of 'character weakness' in the game as anymore valid than any other offered up on the altar of 'lets find something useless to complain about.' 

Just keep hugging ack and posting pics.    

[Latrobe]

Oh god, what has my post started!!? I apologize if my post sounded like I was chest thumping or stroking my ego while sounding like I'm better than you and this is why you're style is wrong. Honestly I don't care about all that ego stroking stuff and I sure as heck am not better than anyone else.

I'm very much an idiot and not very good with words so I might have worded my post wrong. I might have been furious with myself over some stupid mistake I made when I posted that (I wouldn't remember since my memory is just horrendous, but when I get mad at myself I start acting and sounding even more stupid than normally).


Yes, I do get a "panty-ruffled" from people who refuse to fight even after I hand them every advantage in the book, but not because they're running away from me and I can't get a kill now. I don't care if I go a whole tour without a kill. I get upset with them because they had the options to A: Use their advantages to win the fight, or B: Throw every advantage away and die... and they always choose option B. The number of times I've seen someone come diving in on me, miss their shot, and then just throw away all that alt and speed advantage they have... I have tried to understand the thinking behind what they do and the only conclusion I can come to is "I missed my shot, I don't want to learn how fight and improve myself so I'll just throw away all my advantages and let this guy kill me." Granted, there are those players who are just new and don't know what to do, but some of them actually try to fight back and learn where things went wrong. To the ones who just hit the deck and fly straight and level, you'd think me being 400 off their 6 pumping rounds into them is a pretty big indicator that this straight and level thing isn't working. Perhaps try something different?

Again, I don't care that they ran away to protect their score or plane, it's the not wanting to get better part that frustrates me. Some of the people who die this way I've seen complain on 200 or the BBS about how dweeby or cheaty other people are because they got reversed and shot down. You have the option to get better, so take it! Learn how to use your advantages, learn what to do when you miss your shot, and then go shoot down all the red planes!


Apology if this sounds exactly the same as before and starts more useless arguments. I failed English and Writing in school. It's just my thoughts on the matter.

[Triton28]

Your first post was fine.  Arlo just wants to argue on the internet.

[nrshida]

Oh god, what has my post started!!?

You've upset Arlo you egomaniac!

[Shifty]

Apology if this sounds exactly the same as before and starts more useless arguments. I failed English and Writing in school. It's just my thoughts on the matter.

Your post was fine Latrobe. 

Arlo, Triton... Carry on.





 

[Arlo]

You've upset Arlo you egomaniac!

Correction. Super-egomaniac (arguing with the typical Idmaniac personality with egomaniacs in the middle), if you please.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego

(Alternately, it could be perceived as a clash of Super-egos.) 

[Arlo]

I apologize if my post sounded like I was chest thumping or stroking my ego .....

No need. When I said I wish I had a 'puffy-chest' smiley it was for me. My apologies if you thought otherwise.  
Again, I think you're a right stand-up guy and a decent stick. I just think the frustration that drove you to posting
is misplaced. If you also chopped throttle to assure equal e-state as you dove down from 5k to 500 ft, thereby
giving the 5 pilots you claimed you saw circling in their ack 'every advantage' to be taught how to dogfight in the game
by you .... you still wouldn't know each of those pilot's situations until you watched the film later (maybe not even
then since film may not be able to reflect it all, accurately). From what I heard one pilot ventured out tentatively then
ran like a frightened girl when it was obvious you were paying attention. Here's some thoughts. Pilot two was PWed from
a previous engagement and all he was trying to do was stay conscious enough to land. Pilot three was winchester and,
like two, was waiting until the threat allowed him to land. Pilot four was bingo, with a similar situation. Pilot five just took
off and presumed you didn't throttle back to give him every advantage.

Neither of our versions are verifiable. In your place, I generally fly off to better potential hunting grounds and likely forget
what happened there within minutes. I certainly don't bring it to the forum to vent frustration.

That's all I'm saying and apparently it's a hard read for some. But I'm giving you the BOTD to recognize how easy one
can put whatever picture they want to on an event or situation, and what role we can let frustration play in that.  

[Pepprr]

I thought it was fine, especially this part... 

It's times like that that I wish there was a code in the game where if you are airborne but have been circling your own base for 2 minutes (ack hugging) then you get a message in the text buffer saying "Cowards and Traitors will be shot!" and your own base ack starts shooting you.

 

[Arlo]

I thought it was fine, especially this part... 
 

Until that part becomes a nuisance. 

[LCADolby]

Oh here he is again..

Go be 'you' somewhere else Arlo

 

[SirNuke]

I remember when I started aces high we could have consensual furballs low on these fields that could last for hours...