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Offline Krusty

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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 10:10:52 PM »
Just an interesting reference. What does it contradict? It wasn't accepted by the Navy until Oct-Dec 1944, didn't see service until Feb 1945 or so, and despite training crews for conventional means its claim to fame was homeland defense in the kamikaze role.

It was broken down most of the time due to complications with maintenance, and when it could fly it didn't perform nearly as well as the prototype flight tests did. 450+ were built before it was ever accepted at the end of 1944, and they sat around unused until then, with only one single experimental kokutai developing training tactics for the airframe. After that most of them were allocated to mainland defense and relatively few of those 1000 built saw actual combat.

As far as Aces High goes, this is one of the worst suggestions ever.

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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 10:14:58 PM »
Gingas have no soul.
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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 10:20:08 PM »
Gingas have no soul.
Dang as soon as I saw the header was gonna go with this.
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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 10:20:22 PM »
Just an interesting reference. What does it contradict? It wasn't accepted by the Navy until Oct-Dec 1944, didn't see service until Feb 1945 or so, and despite training crews for conventional means its claim to fame was homeland defense in the kamikaze role.


I'm quoting from that text:

The first P1Y made its operational debut in August 1943 (...)
"The engines were changed, the defensife armament increased(...), but, contrary to what has been hitherto written about this aircraft, the Ginga soon saw combat." (...) "Thus, on 15 August 1943, Egusa was given the 521 Kokutai, the first complete unit of P1Y1's." (page 226)
A few pages later he's describing combat operations of the Ginga in 1944, includiding Egusa's Last Battle, the attack of the 521 Kokutai on TG 58.3 15 June 1944.


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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2013, 10:55:59 PM »
How is the Ki-67 based on it?  The dimensions are completely different, the structures are completely different, the companies involved are completely different, the engineers are completely different.

Your rabidly anti-Japanese biases are showing again.

You have consistently said no to every single Japanese aircraft that people bring up unless it is prewar.  You argue that the Japanese were all morons who had no idea how to get anything anywhere after it was built for every Japanese unit after about 1943.

Seeing as your blanket, default statement for anything Japanese is "no" makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.  You even opposed the bloody B6N and D4Y.  To match your level of opposition to Japanese aircraft in terms of German aircraft you'd have to absolutely deny the Ar234, Bf109K-4, Fw190D-9, Me163, Me262 and Ta152.  You have, as I recall, supported the G.55, something that has far less combat or numbers to its credit than almost any Japanese combat aircraft I can think of other than the Ki-102 and B7A2, both of which were built in larger quantities.

To call this the worst suggestion in AH history is beyond belief.  You're unhinged when it comes to the subject of Japanese aircraft, and I don't know why.


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And yes, as Lusche points out, your own link discredits every one of your claims.
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Re: P1Y Ginga
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 11:51:20 PM »
As far as Aces High goes, this is one of the worst suggestions ever.


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