What Ever Happened to NOE??

[68Raptor]

Hitech please put the radar back where it once was so we can get the NOE hoards going again. At least the newer players will fight then, from the perceived safety of their numbers. I'm not sure the 20%er's judgment can be trusted after all of these years of their grand game social engineering experiments they beg you for. They are still complaining about the same things after each change you grant them fails to keep the 80% engaged and being their targets. Give the 80% something that makes them happy and suits their emotional needs. NOE, because it doesn't take game skillz supermen to make an NOE mission successful and rewarding for $14.95 a month.

+100 on this.

NOEs were a nice break from the normal climb high, drop everything in sight and fight down the uppers that where there base take. Now with guys in M3s waiting outside of town when bombers are overhead.. Seems like 1 minute after the town has been leveled it's back 100%.

The M3 resupply goes opposite of the reason the dar alt was reduced (to encourage fights if I understand it correctly). Now more guys up M3s to resupply then there are guys upping to go fight the mission inbound.

Just my .02

Carry on. 

[HawkerMKII]

I don't need to think about what I just said.. because I wrote it.

I never mentioned anything about an 80% figure, and I'm not sure why you think I have an "elitist skillz gauwd" mentality..

maybe you need to re-read what I wrote...

I'm making the point that base taking is boringjust like furballing and most things in this game, and the system should be overhauled. I never said that everyone in game agrees with my opinion that its boring..

but then again if you are looking for everyone to agree with you.. why make a thread..

 

[fuzeman]

Nancy Reagan finally shut up?     

[NatCigg]

The thril of a NOE mission is fun. 

fighting noe hordes sux.  (if i die)

 

[Mongoose]

  Devil Dogs ran an NOE mission last weekend.  Came over the water at wave level.  Went feet dry, and had the capture within five minutes.  It was a lot of fun.  Woke the other side up, and had some good fights soon after.

[JUGgler]

Hitech please put the radar back where it once was so we can get the NOE hoards going again. At least the newer players will fight then, from the perceived safety of their numbers. I'm not sure the 20%er's judgment can be trusted after all of these years of their grand game social engineering experiments they beg you for. They are still complaining about the same things after each change you grant them fails to keep the 80% engaged and being their targets. Give the 80% something that makes them happy and suits their emotional needs. NOE, because it doesn't take game skillz supermen to make an NOE mission successful and rewarding for $14.95 a month.

20%ers?

Who are the 20%ers you speak of?



JUGgler

[Dragon Tamer]

NOE missions are most useful if you are low in numbers and want to take the base by surprise. A jokers horde doesn't need NOE because they've already got 30 guys at their disposal (half will auger like noobs). A mission that climbs out is a lot more fun IMO. They are more fun to intercept, and more fun to fly in.

[Hap]

A mission that climbs out is a lot more fun IMO. They are more fun to intercept, and more fun to fly in.

I agree.

[Tank-Ace]

Sounds like bustr is having some difficulties not smacking into the trees.


Anyways, I don't think NOE is bad in and of itself, I use it often. What I think is bad are the massive NOE hordes that used to steamroller base after base; yes, I think a modicum of challenge should be involved in taking a base. Oh how depraved and malicious I am  .


Lets be realistic; the 200ft NOE limit was comically over-lenient. A 2 weeker using a mouse was capable of flying NOE with that generous of a limit. That being said, I do think the 65ft limit is a bit draconian; it can be very difficult to stay under radar when flying over land at even moderately high speeds. Especially considering that you have to judge what 65ft AGL is based purely on what feels like 65ft. I wouldn't be opposed to raising the radar altitude to 100ft.


Finally, bustr, I don't appreciate it when you try and attach motive to my (and others') actions, when you yourself are speaking from a position of total ignorance. Not one question from you as to my thoughts and reasoning, yet you arrogantly presume to know my motivations. So just pipe down a bit, you verbose little troll.

[Fruda]

After coming back to AH, I'm glad to see that NOE raids are extremely infrequent. Going back to several years ago, they happened far too often and were effective to the point that barely anything could be done about them. It's a lot more fun to fly higher altitude raids, anyway.

Good riddance.

[surfinn]

Honestly don't know what you are talking about buster. I see NOE raids everyday. Both the jokers and alchemist do them all the time. They send a single radar killer out first to kill dar.

[The Fugitive]

  Devil Dogs ran an NOE mission last weekend.  Came over the water at wave level.  Went feet dry, and had the capture within five minutes.  It was a lot of fun.  Woke the other side up, and had some good fights soon after.

This is how they still happen, no trees to run into over the water 

I agree.

Hap, you remember the missions the Mafia ran? Mule would puzzle out launch and climb times for days to put one together. Was a blast to be vectoring in and see a bunch of buffs moving in on the waypoint so you could rendezvous and cover into the target.

Sounds like bustr is having some difficulties not smacking into the trees.


Anyways, I don't think NOE is bad in and of itself, I use it often. What I think is bad are the massive NOE hordes that used to steamroller base after base; yes, I think a modicum of challenge should be involved in taking a base. Oh how depraved and malicious I am .


Lets be realistic; the 200ft NOE limit was comically over-lenient. A 2 weeker using a mouse was capable of flying NOE with that generous of a limit. That being said, I do think the 65ft limit is a bit draconian; it can be very difficult to stay under radar when flying over land at even moderately high speeds. Especially considering that you have to judge what 65ft AGL is based purely on what feels like 65ft. I wouldn't be opposed to raising the radar altitude to 100ft.


Finally, bustr, I don't appreciate it when you try and attach motive to my (and others') actions, when you yourself are speaking from a position of total ignorance. Not one question from you as to my thoughts and reasoning, yet you arrogantly presume to know my motivations. So just pipe down a bit, you verbose little troll.

This! NOE's have a place in the game but not as a way to hide 30 players! Have 20 players make a high alt attack on a field and the other 10 make an NOE run on another base at the same time. Element of surprise helps the NOE as well as the distraction the main attack brings. Even once the NOE is discovered it adds to the distraction at the main attack as some of those defenders leave to save (get easy kills) at the NOE site. Both missions could fail but would most likely succeed. On top of that you have made TWO fights, neither overwhelming in force so more fun for attackers AND defenders both. <---- and THAT is the sign of a good mission.

[uptown]

NOE 110s and 111s ............sounds like a blast to me. Pun intended 

[Lusche]

Honestly don't know what you are talking about buster. I see NOE raids everyday.

But how many? Only fraction is being done these days.

I'm not exaggerating when i say that before the dar adjustment, I spend whole evenings with nothing but sitting in tower waiting for a noe - and I had not wait for to long, hopping from base to base in either reaction to an NOE or upping for an expected one.
These days I could sit in the tower until all my hair was grey when I'd try to dot he same


On the other hand I fully understand the huge frustration  about the NOEs of that time. Being on the receiving end for huge NOE raids for hours sucked for many players, losing bases and not having any initiative.
However, not all of that was just caused by the tool of NOE. It still happens, countries still get steamrolled some times.

My main issue with base captures which affected both NOE as 15k P-38 base shutdown raids is the total randomness. All bases are 'worth' the same to reset & victory, there is no overall target your are pushing towards, nor have the bases different values on their own.
That way, it's only about pure base count, resulting in attacks here & there all over the place. And that's what you can hardly defend and where the defender almost always comes one step behind the attacker. With the war not being won by capturing Berlin, but by a surprise raid on a remote Danish fishing village 

[thrila]

I was gone for a while, can someone explain to me how the dar was changed and how it works now.