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Offline Hap

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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »
Well said, Hajo.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2013, 12:23:41 PM »
Zack maybe you should just go back to the infantile one-Liners. Your experience and grasp of strategic matters threatens to overwhelm us here.



Your as important as I am which is not a lot, at least I know it :)


Hajo even stated it " His family sat around the TV", it was already over by then :old:

another "modify" :) "Korea and Iran" are our "Cuba", last month everyone on this forum were jumping about it now what?, nothing, because its rhetoric for daft people like us :rofl

 
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2013, 04:06:53 PM »
Do we have a translator in the house please?

Your as important as I am which is not a lot, at least I know it :)


Hajo even stated it " His family sat around the TV", it was already over by then :old:

another "modify" :) "Korea and Iran" are our "Cuba", last month everyone on this forum were jumping about it now what?, nothing, because its rhetoric for daft people like us :rofl

 
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2013, 04:20:23 PM »
Its a outrage!
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2013, 05:35:12 PM »
Kid, you are a bother.  Bother others.  Ty to all else on this thread.

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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2013, 10:06:07 PM »
I remember Khrushchev  banging his shoe on a lectern while addressing the UN telling the US that the USSR would bury us.


Heh.  Reminds me of the Radio Free Europe commercials, with the little kids in uniform performing for their bald-headed teachers.

Scared the crap out of me.  Propaganda works.  At least on kids.

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2013, 11:26:49 PM »
Yes.  This was all real world stuff. And I too recall Nikita banging his shoe.  Kids and the ignorant will make fun.  For those of us who were kids or older during that time, we do not make fun.
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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2013, 12:35:09 AM »
I apologise :old:
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« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2013, 06:04:16 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

The nuclear scare lasted well into the 1980's. I remember watching this as a young teenager. I didn't sleep well that night...
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Offline Rich46yo

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« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2013, 07:00:39 PM »
The years I served were the scariest overall. At least to me tho standing on ground zero will do that. First there was the end of Carter's tenure, when NATO was conventionally weakest and the Soviets actually had an edge on us. Then there was the beginning of Reagan's build up, actually started by Carter who had finally figured out he'd been deceived, when the Soviets had to be thinking it was now or never. At least to put down NATO. I was involved in the Op that brought in Pershing-ll and GLCMs to NATO, replacing many of the gravity bombs. The Reds were scared shirt less of these, most of all the cruise missiles, and they had their "better red then dead' "useful fools" running point for them in England and Europe. As well as a lot of citizens who were just plain scared.

At the time the Soviets had no viable defense against SLCMs. "They" and the 600 ship USN, terrified them. That system alone probably brought the Cold War to an end more then any other and strengthened Arms Control.

Other systems were coming on-Line then as well. Or were being upgraded. Ohio class, Trident-ll, MX, Minuteman-lll, ALCM, Tomahawk, LA Class, B1b, Star Wars, Stealth, Air Laser, and many conventional systems the Reds couldn't hope to match capability-wise. As the window was closing they had to be tempted. Many had to think there was no way we'd escalate if they rolled into west Europe with their tanks. Im glad the prudent were listened to cause we most surely would have. There was a great book written at the time called "The Third World War" by a brilliant Brit General named Sir James Hackett. If you ever get the chance its a great read.
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« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2013, 09:02:33 PM »
There was a great book written at the time called "The Third World War" by a brilliant Brit General named Sir James Hackett. If you ever get the chance its a great read.


Agreed.  Now:  spoiler alert:








Hackett's original manuscript had the Soviets winning the war...which, in my opinion at the time, was probably the likeliest outcome.  Peer pressure made him change it so that NATO "sensibly" rearmed with AT missiles &c. just in time, so that people wouldn't get all depressed and say "well why bother spending more money if we're only going to lose?"

That book was a big seller at the time.  He wrote a sequel, too.

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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2013, 07:31:52 AM »
I never knew that. The copies I had all ended up the same way. The nuking of Birmingham and Minsk and the overthrow of the Soviet State. Its been many years since I read it, I should probably find another copy.
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« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2013, 04:50:37 PM »
Cuba Missile crisis and Korea 007 incident were the closest we've come.
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The following remarks were made by former Soviet Foreign Ministry official Sergei Tarasenko at a 1993 conference of former US and Soviet officials:
Around this time [late 1983], [First Deputy Foreign Minister Georgi] Kornienko summoned me and showed me a top-secret KGB paper. It was under Andropov. Kornienko said to me, "You haven't seen this paper. Forget about it." ...In the paper the KGB reported that they had information that the United States had prepared everything for a first strike; that they might resort to a surgical strike against command centers in the Soviet Union; and that they had the capability to destroy the system by incapacitating the command center. We were given the task of preparing a paper for the Politburo and putting forward some suggestions on how to counter this threat not physically but politically. So we prepared a paper [suggesting] that we should leak some information that we know about these capabilities and contingency plans, and that we are not afraid of these plans because we have taken the necessary measures.112

Tarasenko was a senior adviser to Kornienko. He was one of the few officials outside the Soviet intelligence community who had seen the above mentioned KGB paper. His remarks confirm that the Soviet leadership genuinely believed the risk of a US attack had risen appreciably.


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« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2013, 11:54:42 PM »
My bedroom window faced east.

Woke up one morning to this almighty brightness (brightest sunrise I can remember) and thought this is it and waiting to be incinerated.

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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2013, 07:38:13 AM »
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."