Darbar Warning System

[asterix]

My only question is why is there no radar actually covering the strats?  on each map the strats are devoid of radar coverage.  For that matter, it should be one pilot, one plane.  I'd like to see it like AW had it, you needed a crew to man the guns.  Those bomber mission in AW were fun.  With 10 man crews in B17's. winging together.

Getting offtopic but one pilot, one plane and a crew to man the guns would be a great experience in a scenario where the side balance can be controlled. I would like to be a gunner for a buff in such a scenario to get some of the feeling of how it was like. I don`t think this would work in the main arena because the chance of having 9 available gunners when you need them is pretty slim. Even some of the well known players and leaders do not get a single gunner sometimes. Sitting as a gunner for the entire mission seems like a wasted time because all you do is wait. I could be the left side gunner and the enemy attacks from high right. The bomber could be shot down before I could even fire a single round.

The choice of taking a single manned buff instead of 9 fighter bombers does not seem like a choice at all. Shure it would be fun sometimes, but bombers would become a rare sight in the game imho.

[FLOOB]

I am a Bomber Pilot...like many of us we are frustrated with the Darbar Warning System.

We spend almost 60 minutes or more climbing to the highest altitude and across as many sectors as possible to attain this feat.

Our efforts are all in vain because the opposition "sees" us coming way before we are even close.  Everyone understands HT initiates as many side balancing rules as possible.  Darbar is one of these "balancing" rules.

But it really is a significant disadvantage to Buff Pilots and a significant advantage to defending fighters.  So how is this fair or balanced?

Get rid of the darbar for bomber pilots.

1SKYDIVE
!Devils *X* Rejects!   

Buffs are supposed to have gunners and escort fighters. The 8th USAAF didn't think it was fair and balanced either, especially before the p51d came along.

[Babalonian]

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*spews tea*

Was the last BoB so bad for the allies that we're giving you guys a radar tower halfway to Paris?...


@ the OP:  You have a problem as a bomber pilot with darbar, well how convenient is this, you're in a position to resolve it.  The enemy HQ, bomb it.  /thread

[GScholz]

The British "high-level" radar worked pretty much as darbar in AH and could only estimate the number of enemy aircraft in a rather large area, and only at altitude. "Low-level" radar would be similar to dot-radar in AH.

[Wiley]

I guess the 3 guys you saw represent the arena?  I see darbar I take off. I have no clue if it is a buf formation or at what alt.  I probably just died ,and looking for the next fight.  If you think people have the time to waste to sit there and study the map for 10 minutes and then climb and position for another 20 or 30 you are fooling yourself.

The 'studying' for me generally occurs on climbout and/or RTB virtually no time wasted in tower.  I just don't understand why the people who don't have the time to 'waste' climbing out will waste the time upping under a 20k buff mission and either try to trail it or give up and RTB.  To me that seems more of a waste of time than using the information to set up properly for them.

*shrug*

Wiley.

[dedalos]

The 'studying' for me generally occurs on climbout and/or RTB virtually no time wasted in tower.  I just don't understand why the people who don't have the time to 'waste' climbing out will waste the time upping under a 20k buff mission and either try to trail it or give up and RTB.  To me that seems more of a waste of time than using the information to set up properly for them.

*shrug*

Wiley.

you climb out then study dar?  How do you know what direction to go?

I m not saying no one does what you describe. I m saying it is probably a couple of guys and the reason could be many other than what you guys think.

[Wiley]

you climb out then study dar?  How do you know what direction to go?

Obviously I look for the fight before I launch.     I was talking about the looking for oddball stuff like large bardars taking off from further back, or checking to see what's going on in other places when people call out alerts or whatever.  The stuff that's not right in front of your nose when you look at the map.

All I was observing was there's usually about a half dozen people or so on who suddenly go spastic when the large blob of red stuff that's been coming to the field it's attacking for 2 or 3 sectors gets on dot dar, up into the vulch, and die.

Then quite often comes the recriminations and gnashing of teeth because 'nobody helped at field x'.

I agree with you, most people are having fun doing other stuff.  Not very many defend as a rule.  It just seems to me there is a subset that sort of kind of tries to defend, but does it in a wholly ineffectual way.

Wiley.