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Offline Oldman731

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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2013, 08:56:29 PM »
Sure earl. :x That 38,000' is ~14,000' less what the MiG-15bis could do  and ~10,000' less than the F-86E could do.

Only the featherlight RB-36-III could get over 50,000' and not for continuous cruise.

MiloMorai, check out some of the information in the thread on the B-47.

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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2013, 02:18:48 PM »
Sure earl. :x That 38,000' is ~14,000' less what the MiG-15bis could do  and ~10,000' less than the F-86E could do.

Only the featherlight RB-36-III could get over 50,000' and not for continuous cruise.
:airplane: Don't want to argue the point sir, but Chuck Yeager and 2 other pilots test flew a MIG-15, which had been flown to Kimpo Air Base by a North Korean pilot! This MIG 15 was delivered on Sept 21, 1953 and 1 month later, Yeager and test pilots flew the aircraft. According to their test reports, anything around Mach .89 and faster, the a/c was basically uncontrollable! The dive tests showed the a/c above 38,000 feet was dangerous at best and Russian Pilots, who discussed these tests later with Yeager, couldn't believe he had flown one to 55,000 feet and had intentionally dived the aircraft to test handling qualities.
I know the service ceiling is listed as 51,000 feet, but according to Yearger and other pilots who flew the a/c, was pretty much useless as a fighter above 38 to 40,000 feet! I guess that is where I got the 38K figure, not something I had read on the Mig-15.
As far as the RB-36 cruising altitudes, flights above 50,000 up to 65,000 feet were a common every day deal. The only restriction was how much fuel the 4 J-47's burned at that altitude, which would limit their amount of time spent over China or Russia, I guess, because that kind of info is still restricted as far as I know.
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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2013, 06:44:29 AM »
Did Yeager ever fly a MiG-17?

However did MiG-15s ever bounce F-86s in Korea if they were unflyable at altitude?

Anyways, oldman said B-36 in his post, not RB-36.

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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2013, 03:22:21 PM »
Did Yeager ever fly a MiG-17?

However did MiG-15s ever bounce F-86s in Korea if they were unflyable at altitude?

Anyways, oldman said B-36 in his post, not RB-36.
:airplane: All I know is what I have read and heard about F-86 sorties over "Mig" alley! Most of the time the 86's were anywhere from 38,000 to 42,000 feet and most times, the MIgs were below the 86's, which might account in part for the 13 to 1 kill record. I don't really know, except what the test pilots had to say about the Mig-15, could out climb the 86's, but beyond that one thing, was inferior to all other aspects of ACM's and was vastly over rated. I know they shot down several B-29's and some cargo a/c, which were being escorted with P-51K's and F-80, both of which were no match at lower altitudes where the kills were made. The jet stream in Korea, from the 35th parrell up, was from about 25K and up, so for bombing accuracies, the 29's usually bombed at 22 to 24K, again, depending on where the Jet stream was.
Just guessing, but I would bet the 86's tried to stay on the western edge of Mig alley, because if they had to try to intercept the Migs West and Northwest of them, they would have a big disadvantage in closing rate. If they chased the Migs East bound, they then would be taking advantage of the closure rate provided by the tail wind of the Jet stream, but since the Migs were probably running East bound, I guess it was a wash, but if one or the other had to try to close West bound, into a 90 knot Jet stream, the closure rate would be a big disadvantage to the attacking a/c.
I was never there, so don't really know, would love to hear some first hand accounts of the sorties over Mig alley by the Sabre pilots, but can't find any, so most of what I know was things I heard, which is second hand!
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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2013, 03:59:55 PM »
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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Re: The Peace Maker
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2013, 02:11:55 PM »
:airplane: Excellent, outstanding video! BTW, triva for you: Over the B-66 hangs a small single engine aircraft in USAF markings! What is it?
:airplane:  I guess no one could figure out what was hanging over the B-66! It was a "Stinson" L-5, a light single engine observation aircraft used though out the 2nd world war!



And as the pilot in command, this is the instrument panel you had to work with, in all kinds of weather!



Can you just think about flying over and around German lines, as a forward observer for Allied artillery? They did, and lots of them didn't come home!
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