Latrobe's Tail slide

[Reaper90]

I'm rally surprised this topic showed up in F&S 10 days ago and in all this time no one pointed out what was really going on. Nice 'experts' we have here (includes you weaper).

Plenty of discussion about it there, and everyone knows what it is.

And you're the last one to talk of what is "macho."

[ACE]

Joachim had it almost perfected IMO.  Savage.

[Fulcrum]

I do something similar in the A6M3...but I tend to push a bit to much rudder and end up flopping the plane completely over and find myself flying in the opposite direction.  Really is a last ditch attempt to stay alive and reposition myself in a fight i.e. useful if you have multiple cons on your 4 to 7 o'Clock trying to pick you (pretty much a constant situation when flying a zeke in a crowded furball). 

Kinda fun to watch the speed dweebs barrel on by... 

[icepac]

Er....yes it does, unless you fly with the stall limiter on

I think HTC has made spin entry from uncoordinated controlling a bit less harsh much like Warbirds 3 and later did................most likely to retain subscribers.

Sorry to inform that many pilot's "bag of tricks" are full of things are not fully rooted in realism but rather things that work in certain areas of the flight modeling that have departed from realism.

Try warbirds 2.77 or a real plane and you will instantly pay the penalty for having one wing moving substantially slower than the other at high bank angles with full rudder fed in and high back pressure on the stick.

I still think Aces High is the best thing going but my experiences in a real cockpit of aerobatic types clash with certain things we are able to do here.

[LCADolby]

1 famous tail slide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Ftac6mwfg

Real pilots are such liars.

[Bruv119]

I've always said 109's are easy mode.   

[nrshida]

I lose plenty of fights, no doubt there, but unlike you I'll fight, not run like a scared girl.

Be quiet Reaper90! How dare you speak to I'mChallenged that way, know your place until you've mastered sophisticated and snappy ACM like his fantastic 'Cobra Roll' ©™:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS5es2PcHKg

[mechanic]

I think HTC has made spin entry from uncoordinated controlling a bit less harsh much like Warbirds 3 and later did................most likely to retain subscribers.

Sorry to inform that many pilot's "bag of tricks" are full of things are not fully rooted in realism but rather things that work in certain areas of the flight modeling that have departed from realism.

Try warbirds 2.77 or a real plane and you will instantly pay the penalty for having one wing moving substantially slower than the other at high bank angles with full rudder fed in and high back pressure on the stick.

I still think Aces High is the best thing going but my experiences in a real cockpit of aerobatic types clash with certain things we are able to do here.

Oh I agree completely about the realism part. The so called 'tailslide' in aceshigh is a desperate and unrealistic move. More than anything it would slam the pilot around so violently that continued control would be very difficult.

Years and years ago I used to enjoy practicing this in the spitV. Overall though it is a gimmick and not a form of ACM I would ever want to teach to a pilot I wanted to keep alive.

However, I just think that your original comment was far too broad sweeping and inaccurate.

When you can fly half a sector missing half a wing, your rudder authority is a bit excessive.

This is why we seen these types of maneuvers.

Of course, I used to land zeros missing a wing in warbirds so aces high is a bit more realistic as far as rudder authority but aces high does not penalize you when you pull back on the stick with way too much rudder fed in by snapping you into an immediate spin.

Any fighter aircraft in the game is subject to violent stalls when elevators and rudder are combined poorly.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.

That's a side slip. My God haven't you reading our squad forum!?

[Bruv119]

kazaa in his spit 16
lepape in his jug
Jo in his K4

All do variations of this  "tail slide" I would argue theirs were very effective because they would get a controlled shot on the way down after recovering. 

Putting your plane into a vicious stall just to evade guns is no better than a gimmick because it burns too much altitude and energy and doesn't help you go on the attack.   You might live one pass longer!   

[LCADolby]

I see many people here would happily lead a campaign to rename the tail slide to the "The Candelaria Gimmick".

[ACE]

kazaa in his spit 16
lepape in his jug
Jo in his K4

All do variations of this  "tail slide" I would argue theirs were very effective because they would get a controlled shot on the way down after recovering. 

Putting your plane into a vicious stall just to evade guns is no better than a gimmick because it burns too much altitude and energy and doesn't help you go on the attack.   You might live one pass longer!   

Well said. I forgot about those two!  Kazaa had a dirty one in his bird. Lepape was nasty in the jug as well.

[ink]

Like running a full sector from a single con to avoid an even fight only to turn and come back to pick when said con is now engaged with multiple friendlies is "macho."

 

Why don't you take your RunStang and fight Latrobe's 47 co alt and e, with rule that no one can go further than 1.5K separation, and anyone who "extends" for more than 5 seconds is the automatic loser.......

 

  .......pointless bud........even though you are dead on correct...... chalenge-flyinfin-krusty........you will never get a "fight" out of them....they have no fight in them.....I say their heart pumps koolaid....  and where I am from those are fighting words......yet all they can do is punch keyboard keys. 

[Canspec]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a tail slide the same as a tail skid? And that is what you give opposite rudder while banking. In other words right rudder when banking left and left rudder while banking right.

No

[Puma44]

A tailslide is a great airshow maneuver.  It has no tactical advantage in air combat.