Hi Tech needed!

[gyrene81]

His question is pretty clear: "can you take off with auto takeoff when the boat is turning and the answer is no". If you spawn out onto the deck, with auto takeoff engaged in options, even if the boat is turning and then stops turning, as soon as you apply throttle, the aircraft will try to return to the heading at which it was on when it spawned out on the deck. The way you answer him was that you could takeoff from a turning carrier by engaging auto takeoff.

*correction* you can try to take off using auto takeoff. i've lost a butt load of airplanes using auto takeoff on turning cv's. and on the flip side, i've let planes sit on the deck at the spawn point with the throttle at idle and auto takeoff still engaged, then took off successfully without having to do anything to adjust course once the cv stopped turning.

[Arlo]

Wish you were correct, but, you are not! If the boat is turning and you have auto-takeoff engaged, aircraft will try to stay on the heading it was on when it spawned out and with the boat turning, first thing that happens, you run off the side of the carrier!

Not unless you throttle up. Turn the engine off, for good measure. Situational awareness for carrier ops starts on the deck.

[VonMessa]

Can someone please explain to me what the hell is going on?

 

I would like a Bf 109-T so I can understand what everyone is talking about 

That is all.

Carry on. 

[coombz]

Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions

That's what you figured out of this, Earl? I am disappointed, sir.

indeed

it's funny, we're currently trying to teach our 2 year old not to act like that...

 

[Arlo]

indeed

it's funny, we're currently trying to teach our 2 year old not to act like that...

 

Oh, I wish you the best.

However, Earl isn't 2. He's a gentleman who has experienced the amazing and the cruel.
He is now one of us bringing with him a wealth of experience I appreciate. I appreciate
it enough to bring him up to speed on this game and community (as best I can, given
the fact that nobody is ever fully up to speed about all the nuances of the game).

I actually appreciate his eagerness to take charge and the enjoyment he gets from the game
in spite of some suggestions made that don't quite take all the ramifications into consideration.
In that he's no different than the majority of players in their first year or two (or five) in the game.
A bit over-exuberant, perhaps. A bit touchy over differences of opinion.

I'm glad he's here and I hope he reconsiders his decision to shy away from running missions
off of CVs. I will do whatever I can to help him.  

[The Fugitive]

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How many missions do you run Arlo in a session in the MA?  What about you Fugitive?

  

Do you even read replies to your questions in this thread? HERE I answered your question. Earl would have to run a half dozen missions every night for the next year or so to catch up to the number of missions I have run in the MA.

Some of us have been here for ever and have seen most of the things you "new guys" are just now spotting.

As mentioned, we are NOT picking on earl but for the fact that he can't see how this idea would be abused.

Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL

Don't give up Earl, ask the highest ranked player in your mission to take control of the CV just before launch. That will help keep control over many of the little twerps that will try and turn it just for laughs. On top of that, Should someone turn it and mess up your mission you WILL see his name in the text, and well, he is as fair game as your mission was 

[earl1937]

Do you even read replies to your questions in this thread? HERE I answered your question. Earl would have to run a half dozen missions every night for the next year or so to catch up to the number of missions I have run in the MA.

Some of us have been here for ever and have seen most of the things you "new guys" are just now spotting.

As mentioned, we are NOT picking on earl but for the fact that he can't see how this idea would be abused.

Don't give up Earl, ask the highest ranked player in your mission to take control of the CV just before launch. That will help keep control over many of the little twerps that will try and turn it just for laughs. On top of that, Should someone turn it and mess up your mission you WILL see his name in the text, and well, he is as fair game as your mission was 

Thanks, I appreciate your reply and I really have enjoyed the banner back and forth on what I thought was a good suggestion and some things have been pointed out that, really, I usually take into consideration when posting a mish off a boat. #1- I never plan a launch inside the DAR ring of any enemy base, for obvious reasons. #2- If I see DAR pop up in a sector next to the boat, I usually send up a CAP and yes, I know that it usually alerts the enemy that a boat is there, but considering the time to get to the boat, it is not usually a concern. #3- I try to launch at least a sector away to give us time to climb out with the heavy fighters. #4- I NEVER post a mission in a "combat" zone, which I consider less than 5 min's flight time in a ponie, from a near by base, again for obvious reasons.

[earl1937]

Not unless you throttle up. Turn the engine off, for good measure. Situational awareness for carrier ops starts on the deck.

I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?

[Arlo]

I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?

Remember, you can look left, right and behind you. The destroyer escorts will be moving either toward you or away from you if the fleet is turning. Behind you, you will see the wake of the CV arcing one direction or the other if it is turning. Even without the externals (if the other cockpits spawned over you are blocking your view), your clip board map will indicate that a way-point has been reached and the plane icon itself will be turning.

If there is a player willing to spawn separately from the mission to join up with it shortly, he can be your flight operations officer on the bridge. He can do several things. He can keep everyone apprised of incoming threats (and in doing so can even choose to man the AAA), he can let you know when and if the boat is about to or is currently turning (though, as indicated above, pilots should be able to tell). If, instead of using a pre-loaded/spawn the whole group on the deck type of mission, he can call players in order to spawn one at a time (no being in 2 or more cockpits at once when spawning).

A player can even be designated to land on the CV first when returning and act as your LSO - both guiding in landing planes and baby-sitting the CV's course.

I hope this not only helps but adds to your immersion.  

[Halo46]

Forget it guys! I finally have figured out what to do: " I just won't post anymore CV missions, when I want to use carrier based aircraft in an attack, we just use the Marine aircraft stationed in all the hangars"! LOL

Well, I hope that is just hyperbole to cover losing face if you just said, "yeah, thanks for the info guys!" thereby taking into account the situation is a manageable one sir. I do not think anyone is asking you not to make missions from CVs, just be forewarned of the little detail at launch. That is it. I mean, honestly, it is just as easy to say, "hold on takeoff," and use the CV than just never using one again. You dime sir. In the end, I think we all hope you are still having fun. It's a game that can get under the skin, I know I let it get under mine a lot more often than you would think someone who has been around a minute should, but then again, my game play enjoyment is not like the average furballers or win the war types.   

[FLS]

I am pretty observant about things, but when I am sitting inside a TBM on the deck, in a F6F, with 20 or 30 other engines running, How am I supposed to tell that the boat is turning?

Use an external view. F3, F4, or F5.

[Arlo]

Use an external view. F3, F4, or F5.

There's that, however, he doesn't have to and he doesn't want to (and I don't blame him).

[FLS]

There's that, however, he doesn't have to and he doesn't want to (and I don't blame him).

Sorry I missed the part where he said he didn't want to but it's still good advice for other people who may have the same question.

[Arlo]

Sorry I missed the part where he said he didn't want to but it's still good advice for other people who may have the same question.

Yep. I never needed to do that but ... yep.

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