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Offline Guppy35

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2013, 10:40:16 PM »
AotP is STILL the best (offline) WWII sim ever. The immersion level just hasn't been matched since. Getting to fly USN, USMC, USAAF, IJN or IJA; multiple campaigns for all of them; the huge plane set; the use of the historical awards, ranks and decorations; the ace pilot wingmen and adversaries; etc. They just did EVERYTHING right.

I really enjoyed AOE.

European Air War was fun too.  My oldest son and I would wing together on a LAN.  That one was able to suck us in pretty good
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2013, 10:53:00 PM »
AoE was good, but it really seemed to be missing something when compared to AotP. In part I think it really hurt that your only campaign options were for the lead-up to Normandy and there was no early war option (seriously, no BOB?!)

European Air War was great. It was definitely the best of the late-90s crop of sims (EAW, CFS2, Jane's WWII Fighters, Fighter Squadron all came out right around the same time). The Pacific Storm total conversion was AWESOME.

Going back a little bit earlier, I LOVED 1942: The Pacific Air War. Strategy mode was a REALLY cool concept, getting to manage task groups, launch strikes, patrols, etc., and also getting to fly the sorties yourself when contact was made.
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2013, 11:10:05 PM »
For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.

IIRC European Air War was the one where if you strafed a house troops would run out of it.  :lol

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2013, 11:36:04 PM »
IIRC European Air War was the one where if you strafed a house troops would run out of it.  :lol

It's been a while since I wrote a batch file to launch a DOS game but I still have my 5 inch floppy's for 16 color Red Baron.

I'd forgotten about the running troops but that's right. I think my son discovered it by accident on a strafing run and it took a few times to figure out what we were seeing.  That and the gawd awful noise and shake right before the plane stalled :)

I'd forgotten Red Baron too.  That one was fun as well.  Seems like there was another WW1 sim back then too.  Jeez I feel old :)
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2013, 11:42:22 PM »
I enjoyed EAW and many of the mods written for it.

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2013, 11:50:56 AM »
Don't give up Vink!  There is a better looking one :)

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Beautiful airplane.  ;)
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
Seems like there was another WW1 sim back then too.  Jeez I feel old :)

Rowan's Flying Corps.

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2013, 12:15:14 PM »
Rowan's Flying Corps.

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:aok.  One must not forget Mig Alley or Battle of Britian as well. 

My only complaint with Rowan was the keyboard configuration for their games was....ahhh...'weird'...hard to describe it otherwise...never felt right to me.
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2013, 12:52:03 PM »
Rowan's Flying Corps.

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There was a comedy/spoof sim during WWI that used FMV cutscenes, but I can't remember what it was called now.
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 04:22:35 PM »
Knights of the sky and Red Baron, both came out the same time period and I was hooked on both.

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 09:12:52 PM »
For those of us old enough to remember a time where the closest we'd get to flying WW2 fighters was the models we built, SWOTL, Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific were great fun.

Yep Battlehawks 1942 Their Finest Hour SWOTL AOTP and AOE were like answered prayers back in the day.  :old:

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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2013, 01:28:03 PM »
I played almost all the sims mentioned here back in the day.  And yes, I remember before we even had computers (which doesn't make me all that old, I'm not even 40 yet).

My first real sim was Battle of Britain, Their Finest Hour.  I probably put in thousands of hours in that.  But I have to give a +1 to the Aces of the Pacific references.  It was my favorite flight sim for years after it came out.  I had SWOTL too with the expansion disk, and I did enjoy the strategic campaign mode a lot, getting to manage the air war, but AoTP was still my favorite for its superior flight model and immersion.  Later I also had the 16 color Red Baron (kind of went backwards technology wise, as it was the predecessor of AoTP), and the immersion there were superb as well.  My first jet sim was Jetfighter 2.0, and it just had too much compromised realism, and very little immersion due to a weak campaign mode, so I didn't play it all that much.  I had the original Comanche, and while its graphics were cutting edge for its time, it was so unrealistic that I only fired it up to show people what graphics could be like. 

Then around the time I entered High School, Falcon 3.0 and Microprose's F-15E Strike Eagle III, came out, and I played both of those for years.  Falcon 3.0 had the better immersion and campaign, while F-15 III had the better graphics, flight model, and overall realism. 

In college, after some research, I picked European Air War out of those 4 WW2 sims somebody mentioned that came out near the same time, and I concur, it was the AoTP of its day.  It remains my favorite offline WW2 sim even today, although my current computer wont run it.  I also got Longbow 2.0, but it never ran correctly on any of my computers so I missed what was one of the greats by all accounts.  Then I discovered Jane's Fighters Anthology, which was my first real experience playing against others online, as we would set up a LAN as several friends and I would set up missions.  There was even a competitive base attack mode that vaguely resembled the concept that AH uses, although on a MUCH smaller scale of course.  I played Luftwaffe Commander during this time as well, and that was another pretty good one although not quite up to EAW standards by no means.  The only civilian flight sim I ever had during this time was Flight Unlimited III, which I enjoyed (it had a nice P-51).  I had Janes WW2 fighters and Janes F-15, neither of which I ended up playing much.  The campaign modes just weren't what I was looking for.  I like realism to an extreme degree; and if it has nice graphics too thats just icing on the cake.  But above all, I have always craved immersion, and a sense of being part of a larger operation.  The sims that had dynamic campaign modes were my favorite, and that was always the elusive goal of the '90s sims.  Look how many promised it and never delivered!  I got Red Baron 3d, but it just wasnt up to the original Red Baron in my mind.  Mig Alley was awesome, if a bit buggy.  Right before I graduated college, I discovered Air Warrior III, and played it very briefly.  Shortly after that, I discovered Aces High (in early 2001) and never looked back.

Since then I have played Hind, Su-27 Flanker 2.0, Janes USAF, Falcon 4.0, Microsoft FS 2003, Il-2 (including most of the expansions), Strike Fighters, Wings over Vietnam, Rise of Flight, and X-Plane 10.  Every single sim in that last sentence is awesome, but none of them have held me like Aces High, due to the online competition being so much more demanding and rewarding than offline mode (I know some of those have online modes, but its not as accessible).  I know I have skipped many lesser known sims that I have owned and/or played, but the above were the best of them.

The sims that I think I would have enjoyed but never got to play more or less chronologically:  Battlehawks 1942; Aces Over Europe; Tornado; Pacific Air War; Flying Corps; B-17 Flying Fortress, the Mighty 8th; Apache vs Havoc/Comanche vs Hokum; Battle of Britain; Warbirds; WW2 Online. 

Ones I haven't tried yet but will probably end up getting: Il-2 Cliffs of Dover; DCS A-10C and Ka-50; other sims from Third Wire Productions.

Just looking back over this list brings back lots of fond memories.  There needs to be a Hall of Fame for flight sims at an aviation museum somewhere, with suitable old computers set up to run each of them.  That would be awesome.

As to the original topic for this thread, I don't think the Do-335 fits the criteria for inclusion into AH, as cool of an airplane it obviously is.  There are still a number of planes that would be useful in the MA and in special events left (Ki-100, Fiat G55, Re2005, CR-42, J2MJack, P-61, A-26, Beaughfighter, Fairey Firefly, Gladiator, SB2C, etc), not to mention whole new categories if they ever added floatplanes and flying boats for example (Kingfisher, PBY, Sunderland, Emily, Arado 196, etc).
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Re: A good potential perk ride
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2013, 09:09:52 AM »
Boy .... you guys skewed this thread off topic like a Stratofortress crabbing in a crosswind!  :rolleyes:

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