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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 12:07:36 AM »
If you haven't heard it before, AMD more often than not uses only one core for Aces High while every multicore Intel uses two. Plus the APU isn't a real gaming video system albeit presumably better than the Intel equivalent. Although the data might travel fast from the CPU to the GPU and back, it will be using regular system memory which is both far away and slow compared to a real GPU. The rest looks good enough for a serious long time gaming rig.

This is old information (about the cores) AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 12:08:44 AM »
This is old information AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.

I seem to recall somebody saying it was a crap shoot when it comes to amd.


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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2013, 12:10:16 AM »
I seem to recall somebody saying it was a crap shoot when it comes to amd.


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It may be a crap shoot due to the coding of AH2. AMD cpus can run with all 8 cores easily if the application code supports it.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2013, 01:18:30 PM »
This is old information (about the cores) AFAIK. The AMD models 5-6 years ago had this sort of a problem but the new generations have fixed it.
There was a discussion about new AMD cpu's and AH, Skuzzy's opinion being that some may use two cores while others won't: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345778.msg4565692.html#msg4565692
IMO compared to the 100% certainty of Intel anything below that is questionable.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 05:43:56 PM »
Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.

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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2013, 06:06:49 PM »
so i want to use a LCD tv for my monitor.

what i would like to know is,is there a way to make the LCD tv power down with the computer like a regular monitor does?
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 01:36:21 AM »
Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.

Install a budget discrete graphics card instead. For around 160 bucks you can get a starter model.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2013, 02:28:35 AM »
If you need a new video card, I would pick whatever is best card for the money on Tom's Hardware recommendations:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

Pick your budget, then pick your card from above.

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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2013, 03:07:52 AM »
Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
No wonder your upgrade sucked. "IntelHD" means that the graphics processor is a built-in circuit, using your standard ram. They are designed to run Tetris and Youtube. For gaming you'd need a dedicated graphics card as MrRipley said. Maybe you had one in your old rig? If you did, just install it into the new build.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 03:46:22 AM »
Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.

Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...

Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2013, 04:32:30 AM »
Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.

Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...

Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
Things evolve. My first PC had Ati graphics with a whopping 2 Mb of video memory. It ran Tetris and Minesweep well on Win95 and even some surprisingly good looking DOS games which used the resources to the point where memory settings had to be altered before playing. Then I got a Voodoo2 to run more graphic intensive games. The Voodoo cards used Glide which is no more directly supported by today's video cards since nVidia bought 3dfx in 2000. Although early games could be played with office computers, the ongrowing demand of life like graphics will widen the gap between basic and dedicated PC's.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2013, 09:19:52 AM »
Just went to an i3 with "Intel HD" whatever that means. Terrible glitchy graphics no matter what resolution. Nice frame rates and real pretty scenery/water but text and icons are funny and I'm occasionally rolling over obstacles that just aren't there. Kinda hoped a major upgrade would help. Just made it worse. Maybe I'll try to get the old machine back on line.
Actually the last machine had one of those integrated vid chips. And about half the resources. Considering what's listed as system requirements I figure it should at least resolve properly at 720. Nope. I had though maybe a driver issue but it looks like I'm up to date there and with DirectX. And it looks like everything save some specific text renders just fine.

Been on the game for years. Never used a high end system. Every upgrade gets more problematic. I'm done blaming the machines/ISP/sun spots...

Thanks for the input. I didn't see many references to cards and figured it was worth mentioning. I'm about to drop ah anyhow so I'm not gonna bother with any more hardware. Too bad a game that once ran just fine on a 486 still needs all this support.
that i3 with "intel hd graphics" means the video chip which used to be built onto the mobo like your old time box is now embedded into the cpu. it's faster and better in many ways than the old mobo based chips but, it's nowhere near being in the same league as a dedicated video card any more than the old mobo based chip. that has been the case for at least 15 years.

you can buy $300 laptops that are 10x more powerful than the computers i used to run games like delta force on, but they may as well be paperweights trying to run something as simple as civilization 4 or battlefield 3. unfortunately with the competition in the console market and the demand for photo realistic graphics and multiplayer capacity, what used to be a relatively long term low cost hobby, is now a money pit that requires people wanting to game on their computers to choose between spending money on upgrades every 1 to 2 years just to stay abreast of the hardware demands or quit computer gaming.

if the truth be told, nobody, even the people who look back at the "good ole days" claiming they don't care about graphics quality, wants to step back to 8, 16 or even 32 bit graphics.
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2013, 09:27:39 AM »
if the truth be told, nobody, even the people who look back at the "good ole days" claiming they don't care about graphics quality, wants to step back to 8, 16 or even 32 bit graphics.

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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2013, 06:43:24 PM »
this is what i ended up with.

intel Pentium Processor E5500 2.8Gh

Acer G45T motherboard

8gigs of ram. (was ram i had laying around not sure what kind)

1TB WD harddrive

GTS 250 Nvidia Graphics card

Antec 650 PSU 80Plus Bronze

LG DVD RW drive

Sound Blaster X-Fi sound card.

tested it out last night and runs the game almost at max. take away water detail and it runs at 60FPS

still my LCD tv as a monitor i cant figure out how to get it to power down when i shut down my computer. any ideas?
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Re: new low budget build
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 04:26:24 AM »
still my LCD tv as a monitor i cant figure out how to get it to power down when i shut down my computer. any ideas?

Remote control for standby, power button for power down. Except some TV's don't power down unless you pull the plug. That's because it's a TV. The logic is that you might want to use it for other purposes after finishing computing by using the source selector. It doesn't automatically power down after your favourite show either, does it? For a TV the computer is just another source for TV programs - the AH show, if you like to think it that way. And FWIW a dedicated computer monitor doesn't actually power off when the computer is shut down, it only goes to standby.
Quote from: BaldEagl, applies to myself, too
I've got an older system by today's standards that still runs the game well by my standards.

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