IL2 wings

[uptown]

Uptown, It's nice to see you in the Training forum, it's a good place for you to start

Skuzzy, I am currently on and off searching through 50  films looking for the particular 10 second encounter.

 

[Tank-Ace]

If you consistently hit precisely the same spot, with the same round, from the same distance, and at the same angle, the effects will be consistent.

I understand the hit location thing, but does distance abs angle make so much of a difference that it can affect the number by more than a round or two?

Please understand, I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to make sure I understand things correctly.

[Skuzzy]

I understand the hit location thing, but does distance abs angle make so much of a difference that it can affect the number by more than a round or two?

Please understand, I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to make sure I understand things correctly.

Yes, it can make a difference.

[Wiley]

I understand the hit location thing, but does distance abs angle make so much of a difference that it can affect the number by more than a round or two?

Please understand, I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to make sure I understand things correctly.

Basically as I understand it, damage is calculated based on relative speed of impact.  If you're shooting a guy who's moving away from you, his speed relative to the bullet will be less than if he's coming toward you in a HO, and he'll take less damage.

Knowing that, your highest damage will be on an oncoming aircraft, followed by high speed passes on a plane that's either stopped or maneuvering at 90 degrees to you, followed by trailing shots.

I've noticed it can make an enormous difference hitting bombers from the front or top at high speed as opposed to from the rear barely gaining.  I've made 12 o'clock high passes that just threw up a few sparks on the wingroot and taken it right off, which experience has shown me would've taken a lot more shots from the rear/top rear.

That I know of, the angle of the hit doesn't affect damage beyond how the planes are moving relative to each other.  I'd be curious to know if that is the case or if the angle affects damage/penetration like it does with tanks.

Wiley.

[Skuzzy]

I knew that simple answer would bite me.  And that is how it is.  It really is not a simple system.  There are far too many variables involved to be able to make simple statements about the damage system.

What makes it complex is the lack of any type of 'hit bubble'.  The system actually uses the individual poly of a model to assess the damage, but the damage can also spread to surrounding polys, depending of many other variables.

There is not simple way to describe the interaction between the bullet and the consequence of its impact.

GV's are slightly different due to the need of more complex impact calculations in order to determine a breech of the surface being hit.  Even saying that is not doing the system justice.

[Wiley]

I knew that simple answer would bite me.  And that is how it is.  It really is not a simple system.  There are far too many variables involved to be able to make simple statements about the damage system.

What makes it complex is the lack of any type of 'hit bubble'.  The system actually uses the individual poly of a model to assess the damage, but the damage can also spread to surrounding polys, depending of many other variables.

There is not simple way to describe the interaction between the bullet and the consequence of its impact.

GV's are slightly different due to the need of more complex impact calculations in order to determine a breech of the surface being hit.  Even saying that is not doing the system justice.

Thanks, Skuzzy.  Some of us probably spend way more time thinking about these things than we should.   It just fascinates me that it has the level of granularity it does.  I'd love to hear the complex explanation someday.

Wiley.

[Tank-Ace]

Well, whatever. The 30mm still pretty much ensures my target suffers catastrophic loss of life.

[LCADolby]

I can't find the film, and I have looked up and down for it. Which is a pain in the tailend. I shall have to try and recreate it next time I see IL2 flying around.

But, with the 30mm being a chemical explosive, should the damage done be also the same at any distance?

[Tank-Ace]

I can't find the film, and I have looked up and down for it. Which is a pain in the tailend. I shall have to try and recreate it next time I see IL2 flying around.

But, with the 30mm being a chemical explosive, should the damage done be also the same at any distance?

Not unless it's a proxy fuse. The round still has to impact,  which will do some damage.

That being said, I would  be mightily surprised to learn the impact does even a fraction of the damage done by the explosive filler.

[MK-84]

As I recall, Damage decreases with distance from target even with cannon rounds.  However loss of damage done over distances is far less with a cannon round then a MG round.