For the Poles in USSR. Genocide was started in 1937

[zack1234]

I dunno. I'm still trying to figure out if this thread has a point or serves a function. 

Its for me to write gibberish

[Kazan_HB]

Some Poles, especially the resistance types accepted anyone. Most of the rest were antisemitic to the bone.

Both my grandfathers were polish Jews. One was attacked in his home by a mob, stabbed and thrown off the balcony while his house was looted by a Polish mob (under the German occupation). What hurt him more than the stab and the fall was the fact that the mob were people he knew from his neighborhood. He made his peace with modern Germany but hated the poles till the day he died. The other grandfather survived the war in a labor camp in poland. After the war he couldn't stand it any longer and emigrated. His son, my father, grew up in Poland till he was 6. He did not know he was a Jew till they emigrated, but he remembers as a child that Jew (Jid?) was a common cursing word.

By the way, the first grandfather made it across the lines into Russia and spent the war there. Soon after he came to the conclusion that the Russians were just as antisemitic as the Poles, and made it our of there. So in the contest who was worse the Poles or the Russians, both win.

Yes, Poland was royally screwed by the allies. One must learn to never fully trust the western powers and never turn your back to them. They have been known to sell their smaller allies for cheap. They still do.

You are liar Boson or dumb
I don't talk with racist like you.

Get out from my thread!

[zack1234]

yes Bozon

Its all made up what you said

Japan never invaded China or went into Nanking.

The Germans never started the second world war as well it was the French.

[Kazan_HB]

During World War II, on 24 March 1944, the German police shot the Ulm family and two Jewish families - the Szalls and Goldmans.
Most of the rest were antisemitic to the bone.



picture to Polish antisemitic rabble.






Józef and Wiktoria Ulm lived in Markowa, a village about 300 km away from Warsaw. Joseph was a farmer, also interested in photography, gardening, silkworm breeding, machinery construction. He was also active in the youth and cooperative movements. Wiktoria took care of home and children: Staś, Basia, Władzio, Franuś, Antoś, Marysia.

When World War II broke out it was clear that first the Nazis planned to exterminate the entire Jewish community. Most of them perished in concentration camps in 1942. Poles attitude towards Jews varied. However, with the help of the Underground Polish State, Catholic priests, religious orders and ordinary citizens tens of thousands of Jews were rescued.

In Markowa large part of the local Jewish community was murdered on the spot. Some escaped and hid in peasants’ homes. 25 Jews were hiding in 6 huts. Two families - Szalls and Goldmans - were hidden by the Ulms. It was great heroism. In occupied Poland, in contrast to Western Europe, helping Jews was punishable with death.

Punitive expedition of the German police appeared in Markowa on 24 March 1944. All household members, including the hidden Jews were shot.

In 1995 Józef and Wiktoria were included to the Righteous Among the Nations. In 2003 the Catholic Church began the beatification process of the Ulm family. In 2004 a monument was unveiled. Also a museum devoted to Poles saving Jews is under construction in Markowa.

[zack1234]

Kazan is right there was little cooperation with the Germans by the Polish.

We have just locked a Ukrainian up for 40 years for killing a Asian bloke, he wanted to kill Muslims and because there were none in the Ukraine he came to the UK.

He was here for five days planted 5 bombs and then killed some one,

[Kazan_HB]

Who Defended The Warsaw Ghetto? from Jerusalem Post

[zack1234]

You need to calm down Kazan and don't take things to serious

This is cartoon land so we are obviously daft

[Masherbrum]

Kazan is merely telling it like it is/was.   

[zack1234]

According to someone who is Polish

We have massive Polish immigrant population in the UK.

The main reason according to the Poles i have worked with is as follows:

1. We are in the UK because British people are lazy

2. Bread in the UK is poo

3. We were betrayed by everyone

4. Poland is fantastic

5. Russia is poo but better than the UK

The Polish chicks are very nice to be honest

[fd ski]

Bozon,

Why do you suppose there was such a large Jewish population in Poland before WWII ?

Without the doubt there was a wide antisemitism present in Poland before the war, I would however argue that it was present in all the nations at that time ( and to some extend still is).
I think reason why Kazan is so worked up on the subject is the notion that poles were just as bad as Nazis - being propagated thought the media. "Polish death camps" shows up in news on regular basis, and many Jewish organizations in US seem very absorbed in making this fact visible.
It is offending and not fair. Millions of Jews died here, and many of them were poles who were deemed Jewish by name or appearance. Millions of poles died. Many poles were executed for trying to save Jewish families. In my own family I have son of a Jew who was hidden by polish family for 3+ years.
It ain't black and white.

Painting polish people as oppressors and putting them inline with nazis is insulting, that's all. Undeniably there was antisemitism in Poland, however painting with broad strokes isn't justified. It leads to idiocy such as BBC reporting before Euro 2012.

And once again, study why Poland in 1939 had majority of the Jewish population on the planet present within its borders. Maybe that will provide perspective.

[bozon]

And once again, study why Poland in 1939 had majority of the Jewish population on the planet present within its borders. Maybe that will provide perspective.

In the early middle ages Polish kings welcomed Jews into their country. Poland-Lithuania back then was such a huge improvement over what the rest of Europe had to offer that many flocked there. More waves came after the exile of the Jews from England (1270?) and especially from Spain (1492), as well as smaller waves in between. The kings were interested in the trade Jews brought with them. In late medieval periods and on things started to head down hill for the Jews in Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

It is not that Poland was so terrible compared to other European countries, but still antisemitism was wide spread among the commoners and Jews lived under the protection of the rulers that needed them. At least there Pogroms were not as common as they were to the east.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
And yes, quite a few were more accepting towards the Jews especially among the higher classes and educated, and many saved Jews during WWII, but they were not the bulk of the population.

In no way am I comparing Polish antisemitism to Nazi methodical extermination. As I emphasized, my grandfather hated the Poles because "they" betrayed him, NOT because they incinerated in factories almost everyone he knew, was related to, or cared about.

This is the point to make absolutely clear that that was 70 years and two generations ago. None of the above is personal. I have no problem with Poland or Poles this day and age. I also have no problem with modern Germany and Germans - I even lived and worked there for 3 years and loved it. WWII is in the past where it should stay.

[Oldman731]

This is the point to make absolutely clear that that was 70 years and two generations ago. None of the above is personal. I have no problem with Poland or Poles this day and age. I also have no problem with modern Germany and Germans - I even lived and worked there for 3 years and loved it. WWII is in the past where it should stay.

Clearly you do not understand that Europe is the place where old grudges never die.

- oldman

[Arlo]

Clearly you do not understand that Europe is the place where old grudges never die.

Not thinking Europe is unique in that.

[zack1234]

Eastern Europe will never change

The EU builds roads and the IMF stops them riding donkeys

Greece was the same, build them roads, give them IMF loans, they cant go back to riding donkeys.

Ireland exactly the same, they did not have freeways until the 90's and of course the UK was to blame for it

[Arlo]

Ah, but an Irish donkey is a sight to behold.