Best Heavy Fighter

[J.A.W.]

But the 109E/190A2 are quite irrelevant to the discussion point T-A,
i.e. fuel availability in the late war period..  ..as is mention of A3 fuel..

So I am 'correcting you'..

[Tank-Ace]

But the 109E/190A2 are quite irrelevant to the discussion point T-A,
i.e. fuel availability in the late war period..  ..as is mention of A3 fuel..

So I am 'correcting you'..

I never said they were relevant. You said something that was false and something that wasn't entirely true, and I simply corrected you and provided more information.

[J.A.W.]

Data must be in context to retain validity T-A..

Posting of irrelevancies - such as obsolete aircraft types & training aircraft fuel is more like trolling..

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Back on topic.  Best heavy fighter is arguably the P-47D

[MiloMorai]

But the 109E/190A2 are quite irrelevant to the discussion point T-A,
i.e. fuel availability in the late war period..  ..as is mention of A3 fuel..

What is this A3 fuel?

~ 50% of Luftwaffe fighters in 1945 were BMW801 powered
only a hand full of DB engines used C3 fuel
any Bf109 with red u/c used C3 fuel

How about you provide the real deal jaw, re German avgas stock

the LW had finally started using their hi-test C3 juice...

If you had not said finally there would have been no comment

Kurfust's original nick was Barbarossa Isegrim which got shortened to Barbi

[LilMak]

Back on topic.  Best heavy fighter is arguably the P-47D

I don't think there is anything to argue about. If you look up heavy fighter in the dictionary, there's a picture of a Jug.

[Debrody]

Back on topic.  Best heavy fighter is arguably the P-47D

Jup, they are quite good. Their only opponents are the D-hogs.

[SirNuke]

there is a case for the 110G2.

That plane holds so much destructive power that HTC had to increase the town size 

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there is a case for the 110G2.

That plane holds so much destructive power that HTC had to increase the town size 

It is super capable in that role, but I don't think it is was as survivable as the corsair and jug

[Randy1]

I rate my heavy fighters by how many passes you can make on a small field with full ack and fly away.  The P47 three passes.  The P38 two.

[Tank-Ace]

190F-8: the ack recognizes it can't but scratch you, and respects your strength by holding fire  .

[J.A.W.]

What is this A3 fuel?

~ 50% of Luftwaffe fighters in 1945 were BMW801 powered
only a hand full of DB engines used C3 fuel
any Bf109 with red u/c used C3 fuel

How about you provide the real deal jaw, re German avgas stock

If you had not said finally there would have been no comment

Kurfust's original nick was Barbarossa Isegrim which got shortened to Barbi

M.M.,  So,  Barbi as a nickname, how nice...

Here is a document.. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/German_Fuel_Consumption.pdf


It lists late war LW fuel particulars, types ( A3, B4, C3 & J2) & usage..

Given the dire war situation, & difficulties resulting - it was remarkable the level of effort the LW
could put up, burning ~30,000 tonnes of juice even in March `45..

The point being that J2 (jet fuel) was in more use, & use of C3 in V12s as a performance measure
( DB 605 @ 1.98 ata) were issues..

[J.A.W.]

Back on topic.  Best heavy fighter is arguably the P-47D

Well, if by 'best' heavy fighter - you mean porkiest, then the juggernaut is a contender, sure..

The Soviets grabbed a few dozen, but found the idea of using them in AG2 ops as ludicrous..

The RAF didn't think they cut it against their Typhoons for the hi-intensity ETO,
but felt the P-47 was capable of giving the Nippon johnnies a bit of a tickle-up in Burma..

[LilMak]

Well, if by 'best' heavy fighter - you mean porkiest, then the juggernaut is a contender, sure..

The Soviets grabbed a few dozen, but found the idea of using them in AG2 ops as ludicrous..

The RAF didn't think they cut it against their Typhoons for the hi-intensity ETO,
but felt the P-47 was capable of giving the Nippon johnnies a bit of a tickle-up in Burma..

Over 3500 air victories, 80,000 rail cars, 9000 locomotives, 6000 armored vehicles, and 68,000 trucks.

Brits and Russians must've been doing it wrong.

[Ack-Ack]

The Soviets grabbed a few dozen, but found the idea of using them in AG2 ops as ludicrous..

Soviets grabbed more than a few dozen, more like 203 P-47D-22-RE and 27-RE's.  The Soviets did an evaluation on the P-47 to see if it was suited to be used from air stations in the polar regions.  In that test, 3 things were being evaluated:

• Bomber escort
• Horizontal and dive bombing
• Attacking ship escorts

The results of the tests were favorable and this led the way for some of the Thunderbolts to be sent to Soviet Naval air defense squadrons.  The issue the Soviets had with the P-47 had nothing to do with its ground attack capabilities, that wasn't the main reason why the P-47 was sent to them.  The Soviets needed fighters, but they didn't need high altitude escort fighters, which the P-47 was.  They needed fighters that could dog fight at low altitudes, which was more in tune with how the aerial combat on the Eastern Front was, as such the P-47 was not suited in that style of combat as opposed to the high altitude combat mostly seen on the Western Front.  This is why most of the Soviet Thunderbolts saw service with the various air defense units and not front line aviation units.

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