Author Topic: December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe  (Read 1813 times)

Offline tmetal

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Re: December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2013, 05:18:53 PM »
Just out of curiosity here, no sarcasm or instigation intended with this but it is something I would like to know. why can the axis not use air starts?

I understand why allied bombers have air start use but why also give allied escort fighters air start use and deny all of the axis the same courtesy?
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Re: December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2013, 07:29:09 PM »
Just out of curiosity here, no sarcasm or instigation intended with this but it is something I would like to know. why can the axis not use air starts?

I understand why allied bombers have air start use but why also give allied escort fighters air start use and deny all of the axis the same courtesy?

The airstarts simulate the long trip from bases in England.

Scrambling to intercept attacking bombers is kind of what the Luftwaffe did in the latter part of the war.


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Re: December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:57 PM »
You are absolutely right Bino about the Luftwaffe having to scramble to intercept incoming bomber streams and I also understand that time constraints and map sizes necessitate the need for air starts, but while the allies did do some bombing at around 28k, the average bombing altitude for allied raids over Germany circa 1944-45 is closer to 22k. There is a big difference in climb-to-alt times between those two figures. Maybe something to consider if the axis have trouble getting to an attack alt before the faster (than B17's and B24's) B29's show up over target during frame 1. Of course I could just be worried over nothing, and because of that I am trying to take a "wait and see" outlook on this "what if" FSO you guys cooked up.

I always knew that the CM team put in a lot of volunteer effort in order for us to have our fun on fridays, and after talking a little in person about it with shifty I realized that you guys put in even more time and effort than I had originally thought. A big <S> and thanks to the FSO CMs for your efforts.
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Re: December FSO - Superforts Over Fortress Europe
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2013, 06:27:04 AM »
Yep it is going to be interesting to see just what the 29s do to this other wise fairly accurate mix of foes. Hope its workable but I'm certain any way it falls out we will have some fun.
You are absolutely right Bino about the Luftwaffe having to scramble to intercept incoming bomber streams and I also understand that time constraints and map sizes necessitate the need for air starts, but while the allies did do some bombing at around 28k, the average bombing altitude for allied raids over Germany circa 1944-45 is closer to 22k. There is a big difference in climb-to-alt times between those two figures. Maybe something to consider if the axis have trouble getting to an attack alt before the faster (than B17's and B24's) B29's show up over target during frame 1. Of course I could just be worried over nothing, and because of that I am trying to take a "wait and see" outlook on this "what if" FSO you guys cooked up.

I always knew that the CM team put in a lot of volunteer effort in order for us to have our fun on fridays, and after talking a little in person about it with shifty I realized that you guys put in even more time and effort than I had originally thought. A big <S> and thanks to the FSO CMs for your efforts.