Would this be a Ho?

[RipRap]

I know that the definition and circumstances about ho'ing have been raised ad nauseum over the years, but I need some clarification about this one.

During a sustained fight or furball I find myself coming over the top of an Immelman or pulling out of a Split-S or any other rolling turn, and a plane is right in front of me coming out of, or in the middle of a turn. I don't take the shot, simply because i don't feel like getting called out on 200 for ho'ing. 3/4 of the time the other guy does take the shot and down i go. So that being said, should i take the shot?

[Yankee67]

I'm too new here to lay claim to any technical definition of HO'ing.  However, I admit that a couple times I have done it, because it looked like the other guy was doing it to me.  I knew what the end result would be, so I just squeezed the trigger and said "I ain't a gonna be the one that turns first, bro."  Lately, when confronted with the last-second realization that I'm staring at a HO, pulling up or pulling right slightly seems to be working for me.  I don't get HO'd as much, nor am I inclined to pull the trigger.  I've also made a conscious effort to avoid co-alt head-on approaches.  I seem to survive and fight more by constantly using low G and low E-draining banks and climbs as I approach an opponent.  But I have no idea if this is the right way to do it.  Intuitively, a head on approach just seems like a poor choice for a first step in the engagement, and not as "the" kill opportunity.  Maybe ping the radiator, that's fine.  But a full bore Kamikazi, guns a-blazing HO run just feels cheesy.
 

 

[Sunka]

If you have a clean shot and he dose not it is not a ho. Ho is not hard to understand Both nose on heading at each other at time of shot.
At least thats what i think.
In the last part of this merge video i give a quick explanation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blQcADYuYfk

[Triton28]

If both planes have or can have guns on each other, it's a HO.

[bozon]

I know that the definition and circumstances about ho'ing have been raised ad nauseum over the years, but I need some clarification about this one.

During a sustained fight or furball I find myself coming over the top of an Immelman or pulling out of a Split-S or any other rolling turn, and a plane is right in front of me coming out of, or in the middle of a turn. I don't take the shot, simply because i don't feel like getting called out on 200 for ho'ing. 3/4 of the time the other guy does take the shot and down i go. So that being said, should i take the shot?

Forget about the definition and the idiots that will call you out on 200. If you can get a shot in and he can't - do it! what you don't want is to get into a situation where both of you can shoot each other. However, there are always exceptions. If you are being ganged or otherwise at a great disadvantage and someone is stupid enough to allow you to shoot him in the face - do it. If you have a 262 coming at you - shoot it in the face, that is the only shot you will get and he deserves it. If you are in a 4 cannon bird and a Ki43/Brewster comes at you HO, shoot him in the face - it is his job to move out of the way.

Being called a cheater, a HO dweeb or a vulcher on 200 is a great honor. I take great pleasure in this when it happens, and usually it says more about the guy doing the *****ing than it does about you.

Duel are different. When agreeing to duel it is expected that the first merge is cold, and a HO shot after that is not entirely against the unwritten rules, but it is not "honorable". This applies only to arranged duels, not to the main arenas.

[Hap]

I'm a "no ho" guy as well.  I suppose I should abandon that position.

[RipRap]

If you have a clean shot and he dose not it is not a ho. Ho is not hard to understand Both nose on heading at each other at time of shot.
At least thats what i think.
In the last part of this merge video i give a quick explanation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blQcADYuYfk

Starting at the 6:30 mark of the video is the exact scenario that i am referring to.

Forget about the definition and the idiots that will call you out on 200. If you can get a shot in and he can't - do it!

Good enough for me. Thanks

[Sunka]

Starting at the 6:30 mark of the video is the exact scenario that i am referring to.

Right on,as you can see in that engagement although we where both heading at each other ,i was inside his turn and he could not get a clean shot.

[JunkyII]

Sunka's video is close to HO but the opponent couldn't pull so its not sometimes though that guy isn't pulling to avoid that situation and I consider that an HO

[Tank-Ace]

I'm a "no ho" guy as well.  I suppose I should abandon that position.

Don't.

[FLS]

The HO that most people avoid is the straight merge HO.

Once you are fighting somebody that you're trying to shoot down, the notion that you shouldn't shoot because your guns are pointing at each other seems kind of ludicrous.

I understand the exceptions but those are generally by mutual consent.

[Vraciu]

I opened this thread expecting a picture of my ex to pop up.  Whew.  Lol

[pembquist]

I say please yourself. I myself am not very good but I don't usually pull the trigger unless I'm 30 plus degrees off the nose. The reason is I like trying to get better at maneuvering and enjoy that part of the game more than the blasting out of the sky part, also my aim is terrible so if I was in a head to head situation I'd probably die. I can be flying an a-20 or mossie and lose an HO to a zeke. The other thing is I am aware that the angles on the other guys computer are not the same as mine so I know some things that look like an HO to me are not at all. If somebody wants to shoot every shot they have more power to them but I really like those rare times that I get to fly repeated merges really close to the other guy without it ending abruptly. I know it's probably bad flying on my part but there it is.

[Sunka]

Sunka's video is close to HO but the opponent couldn't pull so its not sometimes though that guy isn't pulling to avoid that situation and I consider that an HO

If you want the RAW video i still have it...no way was he after the merge turn (to late) was he going to get his guns on me.  
Just had to say .  

[gyrene81]

take the shot, doesn't matter what the other clown thinks. and remember, what he sees is a little bit off from what you see.