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Offline GScholz

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2013, 03:51:36 AM »
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2013, 04:01:05 AM »
Ever wondered why they never tell or give the top speed of cvn carriers? They always say unknown
or something like 35 knots + .....
Any of you who have been deployed or are on a cvn (nuclear powered carrier) been on it while it was going better than 90/95% power?
I've seen the nimitz throw up a rooster tail behind it when we were headed to lybia back in the mid 80's and again heading toward off the coast of Lebanon....  That tail was as high or higher than the flight deck, whic is 90+ feet above waterline..
Wonder if they ever fixed that bent prop shaft....
at top speed it damn near shake you out of the rack, lol...

when did Australia become part of Asia? :headscratch:

Push come to shove.... They all should remember what Yamamoto said
about awakening a sleeping giant.....

Interesting thread

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2013, 04:04:58 AM »
But who's the giant this time?
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2013, 04:17:44 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on November 27, 2013, 04:04:58 AM
But who's the giant this time?

Going by the opening post... China might think they might be...

but the USA is still a sleeping giant.... If we are nudged enough, we will wake up and roar... We always do...

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2013, 04:41:28 AM »
Back when that quote was coined Japan had the greatest naval force in the Pacific, and the USA was the greatest industrial power. Japan had 71 million people, the USA had 132 million.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2013, 05:00:29 AM »
Quote from: Gman on November 27, 2013, 02:03:32 AM
I wonder if Japan will respond now with some naval vessels, or if the USN is going to handle this one.  The B52's that flew through the area yesterday was quite a show of force to China, pretty much telling them where they can stick their new air defense zone regs.  Apparently China didn't get the message, or got it and doesn't care, and is sending a CVN battle group anyway.  I think the USN is going to have to do some major redeployments to counter this move.  This is when having F35B capable "mini cv's" like the America and other assault ship classes will really help the USN in areas like this.  When they just don't have an extra CVN deck to put into a crisis like this, having 2 assault ships with 40 F35's will be a pretty major asset to use as a substitute.  Just my opinion anyway.
I will try to walk a fine line here without getting my reply deleted. It does not matter what weapons the US deploys. The US is considered these days a "paper tiger" and nobody takes it military threats seriously. Its not that the US does not have the might, it just lacks the will to be the worlds only super power. In a world with one superpower, any power vacuum the US creates by holding back or pulling back its forces is quickly filled with aspiring new (or old trying to make a comeback) players. The middle east has been delivered to Mr. Putin on a silver platter. Iran has placed itself as the leader of the Shiite world and soon a nuclear power. China feels secure enough to start pushing its neighbors for no risk other then prolonged and boring dialogs with US and EU leaders.
The US has the full right to act as it will, but it does mean a new world order.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2013, 07:44:50 AM »
Oh for Gods sake, "The Asian sphere of influence". There? Is that better? And the Chinese certainly consider Australia to be in their "sphere" because not only are they a major source of their mineral needs but Australia sits astride the most important sea lane in the world. Most of all to Asia, and most of all to China.

The Chinese never wanted to be THE world power. Far to messy and no profit in it. What they want is to be the big player in their Asian sphere of influence and they know there will never be a better time to bluff cause we have a weakling running ....ah, cant get into politics.

So thats why their major military objective is sea denial to the USN in their sphere of influence. Every system they steal and/or make is designed for that in mind. Most of all naval. They would much rather bluff and bully then fight. Fighting carrys risks, most of all considering they have no experience with modern war. And if it comes to a fight they dont even really have to "win" anything. Sink a carrier or two and all the prestige goes to them regardless of their losses.

Were going to see more of this Chinese bullying. Maybe even a minor military action, a sorta dipping a toe into the water to see how cold it is.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2013, 07:51:15 AM »
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2013, 08:15:04 AM »
Chinese internet dolts are as doltish as our internet dolts:

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201311270095
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2013, 08:22:13 AM »
Quote from: Hap on November 27, 2013, 08:15:04 AM
Chinese internet dolts are as doltish as our internet dolts:

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201311270095


 :lol  :aok

Indeed, people are about all the same on all sides... just like in AH  ;)
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2013, 11:49:47 AM »
Quote from: bozon on November 27, 2013, 05:00:29 AM
I will try to walk a fine line here without getting my reply deleted. It does not matter what weapons the US deploys. The US is considered these days a "paper tiger" and nobody takes it military threats seriously. Its not that the US does not have the might, it just lacks the will to be the worlds only super power. In a world with one superpower, any power vacuum the US creates by holding back or pulling back its forces is quickly filled with aspiring new (or old trying to make a comeback) players. The middle east has been delivered to Mr. Putin on a silver platter. Iran has placed itself as the leader of the Shiite world and soon a nuclear power. China feels secure enough to start pushing its neighbors for no risk other then prolonged and boring dialogs with US and EU leaders.
The US has the full right to act as it will, but it does mean a new world order.

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2013, 12:38:39 PM »
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2013, 12:44:20 PM »
Quote from: TequilaChaser on November 27, 2013, 04:17:44 AM
Going by the opening post... China might think they might be...

but the USA is still a sleeping giant.... If we are nudged enough, we will wake up and roar... We always do...



Do you think the Chinese will be burning the US flag in the streets?

I doubt it more like can we have more investment from the USA and here is a Ford  we made for $500.. Have a nice day

I deal with a company in china who's lead time is shorter than a company in the UK, UK company charges £4.50 while the commies charge 32p per unit.

The commies are going to ruin the west with Capitalism :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2013, 01:55:15 PM »
zach were you around when japan could make things for less than we did?   then it was taiwan, now it's china, perhaps next year it will be india then who knows.

one thing is for sure we like to buy things that are cheap while complaining that all our jobs are going overseas.



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