Tour 12 "Top 30 pilots" data

[StSanta]

And vulching is a cheap way of getting kills, perfect for the tshjook unskilled socalled pilots  .



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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch

[bloom25]

Point taken eskimo, but also remember that all fighter types are often involved in vulching.  In addition, only the c hog and typhoon actively go after oswinds with guns.  This IMO will result in a k/d less than 5 most certainly.

As for the 30+% figure, that means that among the "top 30" ranked pilots almost 1/3 of their TOTAL fighter kills were scored in the c hog.



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[Vila]

"Overall" ranking means squat IMO.

If you want to sort statistics, look at the stats and not overall rankings.  Some guys could care less about bombers, or vehicles, or ships  



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Vila <Flying Pigs>
Oink! Oink! To War!

[bloom25]

Vila I would tend to agree with you here.  One particular example I can think of is NathBDP.  He is a better fighter pilot than most of these "top 30" pilots.  The reason I chose overall rankings is because of a few reasons:  1. Often times the number 1 ranking will go to someone who only flew 1 sortie in a fighter total. 2. The overall rankings are more of a measure of overall success in the game.  I would think that those who rank high on this list are the most proficient in the game.  

Originally I had planned to do the entire top 100, but it was just WAY too much work.  Hopefully I can expand the data later.



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[BigJim]

Hohum just another F4U-1C bash disguised in stats format.  The C hog has been penalized highly in the "perk point" format so that numerous kills in it get almost NO perk points, therefore anyone wishing to fly perk aircraft with avoid the 1C like a plague.  That being said, what the point????

[bloom25]

BigJim, you couldn't be more wrong there.  This is not a c hog whine.  Not once do I ever say that there is a thing wrong with it.  All I do is post facts.  If that is a whine, please pass more cheese.  

I personally have no problem with the 1c.  True, I will not fly it, but I don't have a problem with other people who choose to do so. (They are pretty fun to shoot down in the f6f.   ) They pay their $30 just like me.

My true intentions here were just to find some commonalities between the "top 30" pilots.  I had figured (incorrectly) that the top 30 pilots would tend to favor fighters that require the use of ACM to win battles.  To be sure, some of the top 30 pilots did.  A couple flew the p38 for 80% of their kills.  Another few flew 190s, p51s, a6m5, 109g10, and even a 190f4 pilot.  The majority, however, tended to spend 80% of their time in the f4u, f65, and n1k.  This can only lead to 2 conclusions IMO:  A. The stats are weighted heavily toward attack.  B.  The f4u has an advantage that none of the other planes have, and the "top 30" pilots realize it.

Although I have no problem whatsoever with people flying planes like the f4u1c and n1k; I do feel that the f4u1c does present a gameplay problem.  The f4u1c pilots are not to blame.  They simply are using the best tool for the job, that's smart flying, and what makes them "top 30" pilots.

If you feel that this constitutes a whine, then so be it.

 

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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[eskimo]

Good info Bloom.

Good point on the Osty too.  The last time I flew I was trying to clear Osties for my squad at V-2 in my VulchHog.  I was repetedly pummeled by them.

In about Tour 2 or 3 (I think) I did a similar check to see what the favorite rides were of the guys with the best K/D in the game.  It was a long process because I had to check one plane per pilot at a time.  When we get K/D ranking stats back, it would be interesting to do the same... find out what the most survivable planes are in the hands of good pilots.

eskimo

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by eskimo:
When we get K/D ranking stats back, it would be interesting to do the same... find out what the most survivable planes are in the hands of good pilots.

If Im not mistaken, that data has been available for a few weeks Eskimo, check out the scores page and look for scores in expanded format (IE only).  Then look for model vs model.

-Ding

[Asmodan PL]

look guys c-hog is a good plane im using it some times for jabo missions, don`t mind if someone will call me a c-hog dweab (i got more stories in D-hog) but, for some guys c-hog is only weay to get a kill !!!

1lucky shoot from 650 and they are runing oweay ! so be it.

i was flying hog`s alot this Tour special THX for Viks13 great jabo missions !

i still think that spit is the best plane in that game (i just love it and will fly it to the end) <S> to U all


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Asmodan
308 (Polish) Squadron RAF "City of Cracow"
 

[This message has been edited by Asmodan PL (edited 01-30-2001).]

[Lephturn]

eskimo,

Just a note, that the plane with the best K/D is not the most survivable.    For the most survivable you will have to go by the one with the highest number of sorties/deaths.

Now THAT would be interesting.  I bet that chart would look quite different than the K/D chart.  I bet the 51 and the G10 and maybe the Jug would be higher up the list for sure.

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"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"

[eskimo]

CC that Dingy;
But we can't look at ranking by K/D alone, only by overall fighter rank.  

My question is;
What are the guys with the outstanding K/Ds flying?

I think that Yipsln (sp?) used to fly the stang alot/exclusively when he had K/Ds in the 40-60 range.

Is this still being done with the stang?  
Are other planes being flown by good pilots with K/Ds beyond 10?

eskimo

[bloom25]

I collected more data for the bottom 30 of the top 100 pilots.

I haven't compiled the data yet, but first impressions tell me that the results are quite different.

The f4u1c still has the highest k/d without a doubt.  Planes like the 190s, 109s, and f4u1d were MUCH more heavily used by the #70 - #100 pilots.  I also noticed the total flying time for the top 30 is probably 2 to 3x greater than the bottom 30 of the top 100.

There are some very strange things about the scoring system though.  I found some people ranked around 75 that had k/d in fighters much less than 1.  (They only managed a slightly greater than 1 k/d in the f4u1c and the ostwind.)  When I looked at their fighter ranking though, it was surprisingly high.  It seems the total number of kills more than makes up for a poor k/d.

I'll see if I can't finish up getting the data posted this evening.  It should be very interesting...



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[Karnak]

The fact that your ranking is entirely dependant on how much you fly is why I ceased caring about it.  I will never have enough time to break the 200 mark, so I should just accept that I suck?   I don't think so.

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[Zigrat]

you certainly have enough time to write about how little you can fly

[Dead Man Flying]

Wouldn't an examination of the top 100 fighter pilots be more fruitful here as opposed to the top 100 "overall" pilots?  Someone with a high k/d ratio who does nothing but fly fighters (i.e. no jabo, no bombing, no field capture, no tanks or PT boats) probably won't even come close to cracking the top 100 overall scores.

Just a thought.

-- Todd/DMF