190As

[mthrockmor]

I know AH goes through revamps of airplanes, adds new birds, etc. In the vein of revamping the 190s, how close are our birds to actual specs, considering we may have more accurate information now?

As an example, is it fair to say the A5 should have slightly more power? I've read a healthy debate with evidence that the A8 in AH is overweight, and should have its weight reduced by some 300lbs. Are there similar, easy coding tweaks to bring these more into line with real life? I know that after much complaint AH remodeled the damaging on the Dora so that a dirty look didn't cause the radiator to leak. We are talking, I believe rather simple coding. And none of these would turn the 190 series into ubber birds that will turn like a Zero, climb like a Komet and take damage like an Il-2, just little tweaks to ensure we are flying the most realistic version.

If this required research and a formal request of AH, Skuzzy, et al count me in. 

boo

[morfiend]

 Boo,

  I dont recall the exact weights but it depends on the loadout and IIRC it varies between 50KG and 100KG and there may even be 1 loadout that is slightly underweight.....

  It would be nice to see an A9 and possibly an early A2/3 added but I'd rather have a 109 AS model added first.



   

[Tank-Ace]

IIRC, our 190A-5 represents an earlier time-frame for the A-5 production run. Later units were cleared for use of higher ata (3.1 vs 2.6, as I recall, but I could have that wrong.)

Don't know where I came up with those numbers. Our current 190A5 runs at 1.42 ata, and later units were cleared for 1.57 ata.

[mthrockmor]

Don't know where I came up with those numbers. Our current 190A5 runs at 1.42 ata, and later units were cleared for 1.57 ata.

If that translated into sheer horse power that would be a 10.56% increase in power. If so, let's go it!! That's my sportscar baby...

boo

[Denniss]

No A-5 was ever cleared for 1.57 ata unless it was a fighter-bomber with the C3-injection system, suitable only for low alt up to ~1000m.

[mthrockmor]

Drawing a summary to the past few posts:
It would seem that it is held by a few the A5 had a boost of ata to 1.57.

IF this can be documented then the question is to how many planes? Does it matter if it was done in the factory versus the field? Does the example of the canopy for the G-14 and K-4 matter, where I have read some factories added them, others did not.

In any case, if it can be documented that a certain number of A5s had the ata increased to 1.57 then the gods of AH should fix this asap. If not...

boo

[Tank-Ace]

Drawing a summary to the past few posts:
It would seem that it is held by a few the A5 had a boost of ata to 1.57.

IF this can be documented then the question is to how many planes? Does it matter if it was done in the factory versus the field? Does the example of the canopy for the G-14 and K-4 matter, where I have read some factories added them, others did not.

In any case, if it can be documented that a certain number of A5s had the ata increased to 1.57 then the gods of AH should fix this asap. If not...

boo

Agreed. If the A-5 could do 350 on the deck, it would likely get quite a bit more popularity.

[puller]

The A-5 is an awesome plane and of the 190 variants I fly it exclusively...it is rather slow compared to the Dora but oh well...who wants to be a Dora dweeb anyway    I'll up a A-8 to chase bomber formations but it's so heavy when a Ta-152 works better...I would really enjoy an increase in hp for the A-5

[BnZs]

Agreed. If the A-5 could do 350 on the deck, it would likely get quite a bit more popularity.

There seem to be some good indications of it doing around 350 at sea level. This would make a difference. The A5 actually does 374 at 5K in AHII, which is not bad, but speed *right on the deck* is so important.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a5.html

[BnZs]

The 190A5 is doing pretty decently even by LW standards between 5 to 10K...still, altitudes under 5K are so important in AHII and it looks like the A5 was actually strong there as well. Current deck speed is 339, 352 or so would be a BIG difference.

[BnZs]

Compare with this, A5 with 1.42ata making a little over 350 on the deck.

[save]

The A8 can run away from Spit16 and Ki84 yak3, something the A5 have to fight against.

The newly perked Spit14 47m and 51b/d forces the A8 to turn and get chewed up by the turn'y planes planes, best bet is to roll in between the trees and hope the fast plane auger or is a bad shot.

The A9 with TS engine was faster with mw50 made 1.82 ATA, and would probably be closer with the faster planes at the deck.

[SmokinLoon]

The A8 can run away from Spit16 and Ki84 yak3, something the A5 have to fight against.

The newly perked Spit14 47m and 51b/d forces the A8 to turn and get chewed up by the turn'y planes planes, best bet is to roll in between the trees and hope the fast plane auger or is a bad shot.

The A9 with TS engine was faster with mw50 made 1.82 ATA, and would probably be closer with the faster planes at the deck.

The A5 is faster than the A8.  About the only thing the A8 does better in terms of speed is retain the E longer, and why I do not know.  So if the speeds begin at 400+ TAS, then the A8 probably can keep ahead of the pursuing lot you mentioned, if the speeds started at 250 TAS then the A8 will get caught.  Likewise, the A5 will be able to keep ahead of the lot you mentioned longer if the speeds started slower, but ultimately the A5 is simply faster than the A8.

One of the best dog fights I've ever had while in a A5 has been at 18-22k vs a P51D.  It went back and forth for 10+ minutes, neither of us could gain a true advantage.  Finally, I took a risk in getting him in a rolling scissors with too little E and he was able to hang with me and got a shot.  My error, his gain.  He won.

Don't ever discount the A5 in the 190 roster, it is a workhorse and isn't too far behind the Dora in speed, and outside of firepower (30mm option) the A5 is better than the A8 in terms of handling, turn, acceleration, speeds, and stability/forgiveness.

[Karnak]

The 190A-5 is my preferred 190.

[Wiley]

Mine too unless I'm upping with the specific intent to run something down.  Then it's Dora time.  I have little to no use for the A8 unless I'm feeling masochistic.

Wiley.