Community Opinion Poll: "Easy / Noobish" Ride List for 2014

[Fulcrum]

Fulcrum, thanks for the kind words here and in another thread that I can't recall the name of.  

 Rather than take issue with or disparage other's opinions of my beloved Zeke, I will just offer up the reasons that I, a 15+ year vet of the genre.... Have chosen it as my favorite bird.  I love to turn fight..... period.  No nefarious nor sinister reason behind it.   It just suits my preferred fighting style better than any other....  period.  Do I get plenty of scavengerish type kills in it?   Yes...  Do those make up a majority of my kills in it?.... I honestly couldn't tell you, but I can definitively say that that is NOT the reason I fly it.

 The adrenaline rush that comes with engaging another Zeke, brew, Oscar.... (Insert uber turny bird name here) and emerging the victor (While dodging countless pick attempts I might add).....  IS the reason I fly the paper mache Zippo.

My mindset may very well be the minority mindset among Zeke drivers and I don't presume to know how many Zeke drivers are of the scavenger mentality.  It may be that an overwhelming majority of Zeke drivers possess that mentality to acknowledge Changeup's position.

 I also gain a great deal of satisfaction from successfully evading numerous passes from a advantageously positioned (Insert uber BnZ bird name here) all while somewhat equalizing E states....  (Karnak and Fulcrum's "trick", which I prefer to liken to a chess match)... At the very least narrowing the E states gap enough to get that momentary lucky fatal snapshot that has garnered me more than a few haxxor pm's.  

 Food for thought..... Who is more invested in the "fight" (that increasingly elusive utopia that so many of us old timers seek) down and dirty in a furball??  Is it that dastardly, scavenging, bottom feeder Zeke,  or the speedy Pony zooming repeatedly through the furball picking off whatever stalled red guys he can find?  I submit the Pony is more of a "scavenger" than the Zeke is.    Furthermore I can guarantee which one of the two is statistically more likely to survive the furball.  

Nishizwa
Frequent "noob" Zeke driver, and dang proud of it!  :

 Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post do not necessarily represent the views held by my squad or a majority of fellow oldtimers.  

Well put, Nishi.  The points you make are exactly mirror my own thoughts.      to the Mighty Mitsubishi Mounted Muppet.   

[Vortex]

 Food for thought..... Who is more invested in the "fight" (that increasingly elusive utopia that so many of us old timers seek) down and dirty in a furball??  Is it that dastardly, scavenging, bottom feeder Zeke,  or the speedy Pony zooming repeatedly through the furball picking off whatever stalled red guys he can find?  I submit the Pony is more of a "scavenger" than the Zeke is.    Furthermore I can guarantee which one of the two is statistically more likely to survive the furball.  

I think this is 100% accurate. Certainly since AW ended and my beloved Yak 9 went away I've historically been a B&Z driver and it is, by its nature, far more of a savenger type roll. Stallfighting is much more risky and takes more skill and talent to be successful (hence why I DON'T do it anymore, I suck). When the B&Z'r is in a fight, he feeds best when he can scavenge off the efforts of his stallfighting companions. That's just the nature of the furball.

That's why I tend to view the faster B&Z rides as the more newbie friendly as that type of flying is simply a shorter path to success. Thus  the LA7, P51, P47M (if I can get kills in it, its a newb ride!), Dora, and the B&Z Spits would be on my list.

[bozon]

That's why I tend to view the faster B&Z rides as the more newbie friendly as that type of flying is simply a shorter path to success. Thus  the LA7, P51, P47M (if I can get kills in it, its a newb ride!), Dora, and the B&Z Spits would be on my list.

Those are the 2nd stage noob rides - I think someone early in this thread called them "journeymen". These planes require some basic understanding of tactics and some SA, but otherwise ACM requirements can be kept to a minimum. In the hands of a veteran though, these planes makes you want to get into a maneuvering fight because they allow you to exit the fight if you recognize early enough that it is not going your way. I tend to be a lot more daring in a P-51D or P-47M than I do in an F6F or Mosquito. In the former I tulips the situation: "slim chance of winning, good chance of escape - worth a try", while the same situation in the latter: "Hmmm, slim chance of winning, very likely to end up being ganged - better try a different approach".

A Brew or KI43 can only do one thing and can never exit a fight without friendly help, in that sense they are more invested in the fight. However to get a kill, unless they catch a speed demon at a significant disadvantage to begin with, they will need friendly help in order to prevent it from escaping.

[JunkyII]

A Brew or KI43 can only do one thing and can never exit a fight without friendly help, in that sense they are more invested in the fight. However to get a kill, unless they catch a speed demon at a significant disadvantage to begin with, they will need friendly help in order to prevent it from escaping.

Same argument that keeps coming up...yes it's harder then say a Dora but if you get trapped at a fight it's not the plane...it's your SA failing you just like y'all are saying toward getting killed by it.

Certain planes make certain dweebery very easy... brew is one.....so is Dora.

WMaker I do remember you being intoxicated... maybe its different for me but intoxication doesn't effect my flying as much as it does my aim.

[Wmaker]

WMaker I do remember you being intoxicated... maybe its different for me but intoxication doesn't effect my flying as much as it does my aim.

LOL

Did you actually read what I wrote/remember what actually happened in those fights (~3 years ago) you need to mention again and again?


...truly not the sharpest tool in the shed...

[Debrody]

Go, Maker, you can do it 

[Wmaker]

Go, Maker, you can do it  

Considering how you bring your PMS frequently all over this BBS, you really don't have much leverage on anything.

[Debrody]

PM sent 

[JunkyII]

LOL

Did you actually read what I wrote/remember what actually happened in those fights (~3 years ago) you need to mention again and again?


...truly not the sharpest tool in the shed...

Hmmm I don't remember you saying you were drunk until after first fight where I was still alive and you weren't....

 Hey bud your a good stick but flying a Brew is easy...my point on the argument is that you can jump right in and not have to worry about crap...like a 152 stall...bouncing nose in a spit 14....compression in a P38. Sorry I used our DA time as an example but you being probably the best known brew pilot in the game it is a good example. The brew is a plug and play...no practice required.

Yes I have an ego and I might come off cocky, in my line of work it's about being better then the other guy...just the way I am if you don't like it I could care less...just like I could care less that you post films. Please threaten me over the internet some more, your really gettin my adrenaline going.

[Wmaker]

Yes I have an ego and I might come off cocky,

Indeed, the problem is that you are also a liar and very few people like being lied about. I certainly don't. We both went down roughly the same amount while I was piss drunk. So saying that "you beat me up" is straight up lying. I'm not a big fan of compulsive liars.

I really don't care what you think about the Brewster. Bragging about beating some one on the BBS I consider rather childish and stupid in general...even if you actually beat someone, it's a video game for crying out laud. Lying about it is even more idiotic.

[Butcher]

Yet the Brewster is among the top 10 victims of the LW arena 2013 ... few fighters have that much more deaths than kills, and most of them are mainly used as bomb trucks

But But people will continue to believe the Brewster climbs 5,000fpm and flies at 680 mph, how can it have more deaths then kills!?

[Karnak]

But wait?  You said you've caught lots of 51's in your zeke.  That's what we're arguing...that the DOMINANT way zekes in the MA get 95% of their kills.  You said I wasn't correct.  You said your kills in a zeke were obtained by not having others slow the faster plane down (do I need to quote you on this or can you look back one page?) Now you're telling me not to slow down cuz that would be dumb...against you in a zeke, apparently I should just avoid you!  I get keeled going fast or slow!!! LMAO!

You don't know me.  The only thing that's narrow in here is your opinion and your head.  Get in a zeke, send me a PM and well see if you can kill me without me getting slow.  You said you could.  You said you've done it many many times.  I think you're full of BS.  Hell, I'm even willing to watch thousands of your zeke-kills-faster-plane videos while the faster plane stays fast if you have any of them.

Geezus...this guy is funny.

Point out where I said I caught, or killed, many P-51s in the A6M.

Before you accuse me of nonsense, make sure you're not putting words in my mouth.


EDIT:

For the record, the fastest kill I got in an A6M that I recall was about 410-425mph and I was maneuvering like a broken B-17, but the enemy Spit IX was flying straight and level while running from some other fighters.  Altitude was about 20,000ft.  I dove down to overtake as much as I could, speed was forcing my nose up and I pulled the trigger as my gunsight passed over the Spit, blowing one of its wings off.

The majority of my A6M kills were in brawls where the enemy and friendlies were all, of their own accord, going well below top speeds or by suckering a faster fighter into slowing down to make angles on me and then making them pay for it.

[ink]

the brew is not the easy plane people make it out out be....it dives "pseudo" fast and turns good...that is all......

to get kills in it you need good SA and ACM to set up the shot opportunity....or just gang/vulch everyone

TnB is harder to master then BnZ..... you die far more often and will most often have to fight a lot more cons........but BnZ has its own issues that are difficult to master....setting up that shot while staying fast is not easy....Steve was a master at it......

they both take AIM....SA....timing....TnB has more ACM......unless someone is an aggressive BnZer then of course more ACM will come into play...that is rare in the MA though.

[Fulcrum]

But But people will continue to believe the Brewster climbs 5,000fpm and flies at 680 mph, how can it have more deaths then kills!?

The answer is it can't.  It can soak up damage fairly well for such a small plane, but you can say that about the FM2 or F4F as well.  It can dive well but it's not a 47.

Personally I've never had an issue with Brews....but I'm fairly smart enough to not try to turn with it.  When I do get killed by one it's almost always because I got too slow in a fight and am likely to low to build E quickly....and who's fault is that?

[Fulcrum]

they both take AIM....SA....timing....TnB has more ACM......unless someone is an aggressive BnZer then of course more ACM will come into play...that is rare in the MA though.

I don't feel it's as rare as you think....and in my mind the higher speed ACM is a lot of fun.  It's not as common as the low speed stuff seen in low furballs I will grant you.