NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2

[Arlo]

I concur that it is a late war only airplane.

That said, given the cutoff for mid war seems to be January 1, 1944 and that the P-51B entered service in December of 1943 and is in the mid war arena, I can see arguments that the trial usage prior to 1944 mean it should be available in the mid war area have some validity.

Mid war perked?

[Lusche]

Our FW-190A (EW) and P-51B (MW) were the planes I had in mind. Tu-2 enabled in MW (perked?) would follow their example.

That being said, I would not complain if HTC would decide to allow it in LW only.

[Wmaker]

Well, it would certainly push the "midwar" date roughly 5 months further...

[Karnak]

Were the Ki-84's service trials in 1943?  If so there is an example of an aircraft with service trials in 1943 that is only available in the LWA.

[GScholz]

Well, it would certainly push the "midwar" date roughly 5 months further...

What do you mean? The Tu-2S entered service in 1943.

[Wmaker]

What do you mean? The Tu-2S entered service in 1943.

Actually it did not. First few aircraft were received by 47th Recon Regiment in the beginning of 1944. AFAIK the first bombing raid was the bombing of Vyborg railway terminal in 17th of June '44.

(source: Gordon & Khazanov)

[Arlo]

I don't think it'll matter much. It wouldn't be used for perk farming in the MW. Make it nothin' but an LW bird. It'll have a spot in events.

[GScholz]

Actually it did not. First few aircraft were received by 47th Recon Regiment in the beginning of 1944. AFAIK the first bombing raid was the bombing of Vyborg railway terminal in 17th of June '44.

(source: Gordon & Khazanov)

From the pictures we will get the 3-bladed prop ASh 82 early version (ANT 60) that entered production in late-1942, 80 aircraft built. The 1944 version (ANT 61) with the uprated ASh 82FN had a 4-bladed prop.

[Wmaker]

From the pictures we will get the 3-bladed prop ASh 82 early version (ANT 60) that entered production in late-1942, 80 aircraft built. The 1944 version (ANT 61) with the uprated ASh 82FN had a 4-bladed prop.

Nope.

AH is getting Tu-2S and is by definition a 1944 variant of the bomber. Tu-2S featured both 3-bladed and 4-bladed props during its production.

[Arlo]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/119084646/Gordon-Y-and-Khazanov-D-1999-Soviet-Combat-Aircraft-of-the-Second-World-War-Volume-2-Twin-Engined-Fighters-Attack-Aircraft-and-Bombers

(source: Gordon & Khazanov)

  Wmaker

[Lusche]

AH is getting Tu-2S and is by definition a 1944 variant of the bomber. Tu-2S featured both 3-bladed and 4-bladed props during its production.

And EW features a perked FW 190A5, which AFAIK entered production in late 42 only...

[Wmaker]

And EW features a perked FW 190A5, which AFAIK entered production in late 42 only...

Yeh, I guess it depends on the definition of what is considered early war.

I personally don't care either way in regards of the Tu-2S inclusion to the MW. Both EW and MW and practically empty most of the time anyway. If it was my decision I wouldn't include it due to the reasons above.

[GScholz]

And EW features a perked FW 190A5, which AFAIK entered production in late 42 only...

I suppose it represents earlier A-3s and A-4s.

[Megalodon]

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/119084646/Gordon-Y-and-Khazanov-D-1999-Soviet-Combat-Aircraft-of-the-Second-World-War-Volume-2-Twin-Engined-Fighters-Attack-Aircraft-and-Bombers

(source: Gordon & Khazanov)

  Wmaker

Just like to add this  

"In 1942, Tupolev constructed the first ANT-61s, or Samolet 103S. Based on the 103V, it differed only in details which would allow it to become a production aircraft. This was the first aircraft to be designated Tu-2 by the VVS, and three early production examples were tested from 13 September until 28 October 1942 and then delivered to an Air Force front-line bomber unit near Kalinin (now Tver) where they were enthusiastically received by commanders and aircrew. So the government ordered the Tu-2 back into production at Omsk."

The shortage of materials and components forced Tupolev to make modifications yet again. But at least the more powerful ASh-82FN, rated between 1,460 and 1,850hp, was now available. Now called the Tu-2S, this version made its first flight on 26 August 1943 and the first examples began arriving with squadrons in spring 1944. Some 1,111 examples were delivered by the end of the war, although the VVS could happily have used many more. The fuel-injected engines of the Tu-2S gave it a speed of 530kph/329mph and its range was2,100km/l,304miles. Its standard bomb load was one tonne.

Other Tu-2S versions included:

Tu-2S4: A two-seat version equipped with two 45mm cannons and two of 37mm installed in the nose."  

Tu-2SDV, or ANT 63: Only two examples of this high speed day bomber were built; the first flew on 21 May 1944 on its maiden flight,
piloted by Aleksei Pereliot.
It was fitted with in-line AM-39s which offered 1,500 to l,870hp, and reached 645kph/401mph. The second, fitted with AM-39F engines, had a crew of three, one more than the earlier example; it reached a speed of 640kph/398mph. It first flew on 14 October 1944 piloted by Mikhail Nukhtikov.

[bangsbox]

Our FW-190A (EW) and P-51B (MW) were the planes I had in mind. Tu-2 enabled in MW (perked?) would follow their example.

That being said, I would not complain if HTC would decide to allow it in LW only.

Really??? our 190a is the early war variant? and still has a 25 eny? Can you earn the early war plane achievements with it too?