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Offline Plawranc

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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2014, 10:57:58 PM »
I have a feeling that with Putin's new natural resources policy and his pledged rearming of the Russian Federation to match China and the USA by the mid 2020's.

That the Pentagon will be taking them alot more seriously than you think. Every time we (The West) has considered someone an inferior enemy they tend to either kick the crap out of us to begin with or surprise us with something we weren't expecting and have to race to catch them.

I think the Russians are starting to make a comeback.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2014, 05:51:07 PM »
The Russians have always been an inferior enemy.  The only thing they ever had that was a credible threat, was the threat of nuclear annihilation. 

Why do you think they opposed Star Wars and ballistic missile shields?  It removed their own true threat that they posed to the west.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 06:05:59 PM »
You speak like you've actually fought them...
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2014, 06:32:14 PM »
Since there was nothing more than Cold War between the US and the Russians, only the submariners can really claim to have fought.  I am not a submariner.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2014, 07:58:16 PM »
I'm sure we'll just tag along on their cruises like we always have and like we always will.   I had a couple of OCS buddies that went Submarine...they said it was like playing tag in the dark...they couldn't see us but they knew we were there.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2014, 03:39:34 AM »
Quote from: Changeup on January 18, 2014, 07:58:16 PM
I'm sure we'll just tag along on their cruises like we always have and like we always will.   I had a couple of OCS buddies that went Submarine...they said it was like playing tag in the dark...they couldn't see us but they knew we were there.

How long ago was that?
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 03:42:48 AM »
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 05:06:22 AM »
Quote from: Bodhi on January 18, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
Since there was nothing more than Cold War between the US and the Russians, only the submariners can really claim to have fought.  I am not a submariner.


That's ignorant.  You're spitting on the graves of thousands who died during the "cold" war.  Not sure what point you're trying to make but it failed...
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 11:00:27 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on January 19, 2014, 03:39:34 AM
How long ago was that?

I haven't talked with him about Navy life since last summer when he pegged to make Admiral at the end of his Pentagon tour in 2015.  Why?  I don't imagine his opinion has changed much.   If you have a good reason for asking, I'll ask him.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2014, 11:14:29 AM »
We'll have subs assigned to track them simply because we need to gauge their effectiveness (P-3 squadrons, as well). Whether it'll be done as aggressively as during the official
Cold War is another thing. There's quite a few documented incidents of pushing it. The 'end' of the Cold War is an illusion, imo btw (granted, I don't have OCS buddy captains at the pentagon that are willing to discuss confidential matters with me).
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 11:56:53 AM »
Quote from: Changeup on January 19, 2014, 11:00:27 AM
I haven't talked with him about Navy life since last summer when he pegged to make Admiral at the end of his Pentagon tour in 2015.  Why?  I don't imagine his opinion has changed much.   If you have a good reason for asking, I'll ask him.

I'm asking because if it was pre-1985 (pre-Akula, pre-John Walker) it is far from the reality of today.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2014, 02:37:09 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on January 19, 2014, 11:56:53 AM
I'm asking because if it was pre-1985 (pre-Akula, pre-John Walker) it is far from the reality of today.

He certainly could be feeding me disinformation given my past clearances and current civilian clearances, lol.   
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2014, 02:47:04 PM »
Quote from: Changeup on January 19, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
He certainly could be feeding me disinformation given my past clearances and current civilian clearances, lol.   

Clearances you clearly deserve.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2014, 02:56:49 PM »
Quote from: Arlo on January 19, 2014, 02:47:04 PM
Clearances you clearly deserve.

Clearly because I understand the difference between things like public awareness of the US and British Navys tracking Russian ballistic missile submarines to establish patrol patterns and technology vs the tactics and technology to accomplish it.
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Re: New russian subs
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2014, 05:25:38 PM »
The US Administrations through the years dismissed the Japanese as inferior... They dismissed Al-Quaeda and the Taliban to be inferior.... And as many here can attest they dismissed the communist nations of South East Asia to be inferior.

In all three cases they have been the bloodiest, longest, and most traumatizing wars the USA has ever fought.

Dismissing both the 2nd and 3rd most powerful military nations on earth (Russia and China) who due to the market and resource boom are also now two of the richest.... doesn't seem prudent.

I would take ANY new weapons development by China or Russia VERY seriously.

EDIT: A conventional war between the USA and the USSR in Europe would be very similar to WW2 I would think. The USA would have a higher KD, but would lose due to overwhelming numbers and the draining of public support. As well as logistics. Not the mention the USSR's absolutely UNMATCHED Air Defence capabilities.
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