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Offline icepac

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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2014, 10:17:32 AM »
Quote from: LCADolby on January 25, 2014, 09:18:06 AM
I like the idea of the extra tank, 16s would be falling from the sky like Ta152s... Tail first with no hope for recovery

Only when you hold the rudder full deflection in the wrong direction all the way down.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2014, 12:37:33 PM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on January 25, 2014, 09:50:08 AM
If what Wiki is saying is true it isn't a field mod, it is a factory fit, and if that is the case opinions would cease to matter at that point because High Tech doesn't design planes according to popular opinion other wise Spixteens would shoot banks to make everyone who is afraid of them happy and all the other (manly) planes would have Kleenex boxes so the Spixteen drivers wouldn't have to listen to your I incesent crying. 
I didn't mean to offend by jokingly saying haters, I only said that because the quickest way of being accused of being limp wrested is to talk about flying a Spixteen.  But I really couldn't care less at this point because it is a GAME!!

wiki??? tsk tsk tsk. You should know the rule regarding wiki.  May I suggest diving in to one of the prime sources for Spitfires (prime sources = actual first print RAF/Supermarine Aviation Works nomenclature)?  Or perhaps even one of the more highly regarded sources for Spitfires such as "Spitfire The History", by Morgan and Shacklady.   http://www.amazon.com/Spitfire-History-Eric-B-Morgan/dp/0946219486 .  I'm told it is one of the best sources on Spitfires, if not THEE best.  Sadly, I do not have it yet.  But I will, oh yes, I will. 

But for now, I'd be willing to give HTC the benefit of the doubt in terms of correctness on the Spit 16, at least regarding hard data.  The flight model though....    ;)

oh... and regarding "opinions", may I remind you that the HTC's "opinion" can trump a printed "fact" because of the obvious.  You may carry on.   :)
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 12:50:54 PM »
I do have it.  If I get time I'll see if has any comments about this.  I don't recall the rear tanks ever being standard though.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2014, 03:20:38 PM »
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2014, 03:37:04 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on January 25, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
No.  The Spitfire Mk GAY needs no more help.  Field mods are not allowed (or at least not used by HTC).  If you need more range then learn how to manage the throttle, the Spitfires have a far greater range than most think if the throttle is managed.  Try it.  Get to 18k, drop throttle according to the chart on the knee board, and enjoy the smells of gayness even longer.

and FWIW- For someone who flings poo he sure does cry a lot when the poo comes flingin' back.  You didn't think you be asking for trouble by calling those who may frown upon the unicorn suit plane that reeks of cheap perfume "haters"?    

What makes you think they are field mods?


From Spitfire mk XVI's POH:





BTW, regarding the "gay" part, you really sound like you just lost a 262 to a Spit16 or something.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2014, 05:13:44 PM »
So the appropriate area commander, Air Marshal Hitech, decided the rear fuel tank is not needed in the MA.

Until the AM issues new orders, we will do with what we have. A slipper tank.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2014, 05:34:36 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on January 25, 2014, 12:37:33 PM
wiki??? tsk tsk tsk. You should know the rule regarding wiki.  May I suggest diving in to one of the prime sources for Spitfires (prime sources = actual first print RAF/Supermarine Aviation Works nomenclature)?  Or perhaps even one of the more highly regarded sources for Spitfires such as "Spitfire The History", by Morgan and Shacklady.   http://www.amazon.com/Spitfire-History-Eric-B-Morgan/dp/0946219486 .  I'm told it is one of the best sources on Spitfires, if not THEE best.  Sadly, I do not have it yet.  But I will, oh yes, I will. 

But for now, I'd be willing to give HTC the benefit of the doubt in terms of correctness on the Spit 16, at least regarding hard data.  The flight model though....    ;)

oh... and regarding "opinions", may I remind you that the HTC's "opinion" can trump a printed "fact" because of the obvious.  You may carry on.   :)

Holy smoke they want a bunch of money for that book, I would sure love to read it though.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2014, 05:38:59 PM »
Quote from: bustr on January 25, 2014, 05:13:44 PM
So the appropriate area commander, Air Marshal Hitech, decided the rear fuel tank is not needed in the MA.

Until the AM issues new orders, we will do with what we have. A slipper tank.

Isn't it the same for everything? If the CO doesn't want ponys using aux tanks they won't be using them.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2014, 05:39:34 PM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on January 25, 2014, 05:34:36 PM
Holy smoke they want a bunch of money for that book, I would sure love to read it though.

Quality costs a bit more.  Compare and contrast: "Spitfire, The History", vs wiki.   ;)
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2014, 06:02:22 PM »
Here's the reason why we won't get the rear tank in the Spitfire. The CG will have to be completely reworked, and I suspect that will take a lot of time, then HTC would also have to change the type of damage the aircraft can take, adding another fuel leak location. It's just too much work. We might get it when HTC remodels the Spitfires (which is not going to be soon), but not before that.

I personally however welcome the added read fuel tank in Spit16s and 14s....mainly 14s.  :D
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2014, 07:30:20 PM »
Fly the SpitVIII. It has generous range.

Of course, it doesn't have clipped wings, so you'll just have to deal with it only be good, not stellar, in one area of fighter maneuverability. The horror!  :D
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2014, 09:58:39 PM »
I already do fly the VIII, infact I'm thinking that it will be my main ride from now on.  It would just be nice to have the correct historical options for ALL aircraft.  I think it is a little foggy on whether the XVI had the extra tankage and I dont know about the XIV.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2014, 10:45:35 PM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on January 25, 2014, 09:58:39 PM
I already do fly the VIII, infact I'm thinking that it will be my main ride from now on.  It would just be nice to have the correct historical options for ALL aircraft.  I think it is a little foggy on whether the XVI had the extra tankage and I dont know about the XIV.

XIV had extra tanks.

Regarding the XVI, if the POH says it had extra tanks so that should clarify that.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2014, 10:51:33 PM »
Quote from: Nimrod45 on January 25, 2014, 09:58:39 PM
I already do fly the VIII, infact I'm thinking that it will be my main ride from now on.  It would just be nice to have the correct historical options for ALL aircraft.  I think it is a little foggy on whether the XVI had the extra tankage and I dont know about the XIV.
If the XVI had the rear tank, then so did the LF.Mk IX as they came off the same production line with the Mk only being determined when the engine, Merlin 66 for the LF.IX and Merlin 266 for the XVI, was installed.


OK, per Spitfire the History, there were tests with rear tanks, 74 gallons for the high back and 66 gallons for the low back versions.

That said, in the specifications  on page 433 it describes the fuel thus:

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Fuel. 100 octane; 150 for +25lb boost
Capacity fuselage (upper) 48 gals, lower 37.  Total 85. Plus 45, 50, 90 and 170 gal o/ld tanks.

There is no mention of the rear tanks in the specifications.
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Re: Spifire Fuel Capacity
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2014, 11:25:49 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on January 25, 2014, 10:51:33 PM
There is no mention of the rear tanks in the specifications.

Perhaps they forgot about it...


Seriously, if publications made by Supermarine themselves say it had a rear than it must have had it, regardless of what some expensive aftermarket Spitfire book says.
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