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Offline Randy1

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P38 N9 Size? 100 Mil?
« on: February 05, 2014, 04:16:04 PM »
In Bustr's last release historical gun pack he has the N9 for the P38 which I think is a 100Mil.  I like things to be the proper scale.  As I messed around with the Video setting's FOV I realized that a sight shown as 100Mil must be talking about the thickness of the line or something else.

What is the real life diameter of a P38L's gun sight glass and the 100 Mil gunsight?

What size does the 100 Mil represent?

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Re: P38 N9 Size? 100 Mil?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 08:14:15 PM »
The N9 and N9 with rocket aid is a 101Mil ring. Or 100mph ring. The L3 was modified from a 50Mil ring to the N9 101Mil ring with the rocket\bomb aid cutouts for the P38L.

Comes from the measurement of a fighter traveling at 100mph right to left at 1000ft will travel 50Mil in 1\3 of a second. The relationship is to the time it takes the bullet to reach 1000ft. 1000-1200ft was considered the max effective range for the 50cal to still hold enough energy to effectively damage anything in air combat. The reticle cutout for the line projected is about a 6Mil width on the reflector plate. This could vary, like with the Mk8 series were slightly narrower. If you turned up\down the rheostat, the width of the line would vary also with the intensity of the light. Even sunlight would affect this.

The early Barr&Stroud MkII round glass gunsight, the glass was 3 inches. The L3 is not far off, and the British reticle had a 100mph ring. But, then who's unit of Mil is that based on. The British 100mph ring at 100 meters is 105Mil if you measure a 10.5m wingspan Fw190A.

So hop in a hurricane or a P38L. Put on zoom and increase until the sight glass is about a 1\8in short of 3 inches holding up a ruler. That will be real life. Kind of close ain't it.....
 
In our game I construct my reticle to Hitech's 2pixel = 1Mil. At which point the size of the glass the artist fits to the cockpit doesn't matter.

I will suspect you downloaded the latest historic pac to get the gunnery manuals. The answer to the N9 100mph or 101Mil ring was in the AAF fighter Pilot Gunnery 1943. That's why I gave you guys those manuals. By page 7 the reason for the Mil size was explained. The rest of the manual is the meat of how you use those 50Mil at 1000ft.
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Re: P38 N9 Size? 100 Mil?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2014, 09:25:46 PM »
Bustr, thanks so much.  I can't believe I was so far off.  I kept thinking 100 mil in case was 1/10 of an inch so matter how I looked at the sight information I could never get it squared away.  I was way off track.  It is as if a light came on.

Thanks so much for the time it took to educate me on this one.  Will get to reading the manuals.

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Re: P38 N9 Size? 100 Mil?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 09:27:44 AM »
Randy 1 mil is  1 unit wide at 1000 dist.

I.E. the angle of 1 yard at 1000 yards. Or 1 meter at 1000 meters , or 1 inch at 1000 inches.

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Re: P38 N9 Size? 100 Mil?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 02:36:39 PM »
Randy 1 mil is  1 unit wide at 1000 dist.

I.E. the angle of 1 yard at 1000 yards. Or 1 meter at 1000 meters , or 1 inch at 1000 inches.

HiTech
Thank you Hitech.