Gloster Meteor Jet Fighter - WW2 fighter - late War.

[Tank-Ace]

  I listen just fine,I've also been around alot longer than you,if fact you were in diapers when I started flying sims,or likely not even born yet!

  Show me 1 post that states rules for inclusion,go back to 2000 on the forum and you will not find 1,none other than the Pyro make those decisions.


    But then I'd expect no less from you mister expert......

   

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326133.105.html

Towards the bottom of the page, Fullmetaljacket says this:

This is what HiTech sent to me.

Quote from: hitech on 04 January 2012, 07:17:28
There is no hard and fast rule. But generally we want planes to have seen service.

HiTech

That is exactly what he told me. They want planes to have seen service in WW2 to be added or considered for addition to Ace High.

The Do-335 does not even qualify for consideration. and i believe it will never be considered by HTC for addition. unless there is proof that it infact saw some kind of service other then in test flights.

By "rules", I think most people are referring to the De Facto rules of:
1) went into series production
2) issued in squadron strength or greater
3) saw combat
4) has confirmed kills

(as opposed to the non-existent De Jure rules). No, we're not going to change how we phrase it, because so far, they've been reasonably held as rules, since everything in the game follows them, as has everything on every poll ever held by HTC.


This sets precedent, and what I believe to be a very good precedent.

[morfiend]

 Back peddle,side step or prance all around,you just proved my point!


   Look at Hitech's first sentence,"There is no hard and fast rule"! They would like it to have seen service,that doesnt say seen combat,squadron strength or anything else.

  As I said I've never seen any so called rules for inclussion,it's all been heresay.

 And thats the de-facto truth....

  with that I'm done with you,please dont address me anymore.


   

[Tank-Ace]

Have it your way. Doesn't change the fact that, effectively, there are certain criteria that (based on all evidence) must be met for HTC to seriously consider something for inclusion.

[Ack-Ack]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326133.105.html

Towards the bottom of the page, Fullmetaljacket says this:


By "rules", I think most people are referring to the De Facto rules of:
1) went into series production
2) issued in squadron strength or greater
3) saw combat
4) has confirmed kills

(as opposed to the non-existent De Jure rules). No, we're not going to change how we phrase it, because so far, they've been reasonably held as rules, since everything in the game follows them, as has everything on every poll ever held by HTC.


This sets precedent, and what I believe to be a very good precedent.

There was nothing in the 'de facto rules' that an aircraft/ground vehicle needed to have had confirmed kills.  It was always 1) Saw operational service during the war 2) production models only, no prototypes 3) Saw combat.  That is until HiTech clarified it with is post on 1/4/2012 with his "There is no hard and fast rule. But generally we want planes to have seen service." comment.  As you can see, what is HiTech's criteria is different than what we assumed it to be.  As long as it saw service, that is really the only steadfast rule they have when it comes to adding new airplanes and ground vehicles.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

As far as I know, the de facto rules were extrapolated based on HTC's previous additions and polls, with all units added or considered for addition meeting the four criteria I listed.

Or is there a different origin to the "rules" that I'm not aware of?

[Karnak]

As far as I know, the de facto rules were extrapolated based on HTC's previous additions and polls, with all units added or considered for addition meeting the four criteria I listed.

Or is there a different origin to the "rules" that I'm not aware of?

P-51H did not.  It also doesn't meet the "But generally we want planes to have seen service." guideline either.

[Tank-Ace]

P-51H did not.  It also doesn't meet the "But generally we want planes to have seen service." guideline either.

Ah. Did not know the P-51H was ever on a poll. Thank you Karnak.

[Karnak]

Ah. Did not know the P-51H was ever on a poll. Thank you Karnak.

On the very first poll back in 2001 along with stuff like the Spitfire Mk XIV and Ta152H-1.  IIRC correctly the Ta152 won, but I may well not recall correctly.

There have been five polls to my knowledge.  Second poll was simplest, just a choice between the D3A and SBD or the D4Y and SB2C.

[Tank-Ace]

What were the 3rd and 4th polls? I remember voting in them, but for the life of me, I can't recall what specifically were the choices.

[Karnak]

I don't recall all of the options, but the B-25 beat the P-39 by less than 1% in the third poll and the B-29 blew the Me410 away by something like 61 to 39% in the fourth poll, the A-26 only narrowly missing the final round because the B-29 pulled so many votes off of it that the Me410 edged its way into the final.

[BnZs]

This would be a good add. I`ve flown it in another sim, and it would need to be perked higher than the 262. More maneverable, still faster than all props, and 4 nose mounted Hispanos.

[Tank-Ace]

That would be odd. The 262 poses a greater threat to it than it does to 262's, and yet it would be perked higher.

Personally can't think of any other instance of this.

[Karnak]

That would be odd. The 262 poses a greater threat to it than it does to 262's, and yet it would be perked higher.

Personally can't think of any other instance of this.

Whether or not the Me262 would pose a greater threat between the two I cannot say, but the ballistics on the Hispanos likely mean the Meteor would post more of a threat to any fighter in the game other than the Me163 and Me262.

[-ammo-]

Whether or not the Me262 would pose a greater threat between the two I cannot say, but the ballistics on the Hispanos likely mean the Meteor would post more of a threat to any fighter in the game other than the Me163 and Me262.

Yep - evidence= F4U-1C

[BnZs]

The Meteor would be a 262 murderer anytime it caught the German jet flying below maximum speed.