More and more bailing after bombing

[Wiley]

I'm glad that you haven't encountered it as much as I have and that those who did bail allowed you to get into proxy range first.  Clearly you don't feel it's negatively affecting your play time.  That doesn't mean it doesn't negatively affect others.

Of behalf of those of us who have seen it more frequently, especially during our MA hours, my question to those who don't see it as often is this:

How would eliminating the ability to bomb and bail negatively affect your play in AH?

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Ryno

Eliminating the ability to bail from an undamaged plane wouldn't negatively affect anything I can think of, other than the people who bail to go do something else, for whatever reason.  I'm not sure where I stand on that.  I don't do it personally, but really don't care if others want to.

What would the difference be though if instead of bailing, the guy augers?  If you say 'penalize him for augering too', how do you code it to differentiate an intentional lawndart from a legitimate screwup?  The unskilled shouldn't be penalized for the actions of the dweebish.

Wiley.

[Ack-Ack]

I'm glad that you haven't encountered it as much as I have and that those who did bail allowed you to get into proxy range first.  Clearly you don't feel it's negatively affecting your play time.  That doesn't mean it doesn't negatively affect others.

Of behalf of those of us who have seen it more frequently, especially during our MA hours, my question to those who don't see it as often is this:

How would eliminating the ability to bomb and bail negatively affect your play in AH?

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Ryno

Having it done to me 10 times in a row in a single sortie isn't the definition of having experienced it infrequently.  I just don't let it bother me is all nor do I believe there should be any penalty imposed on those doing it as any penalty will most likely have a negative effect on the over all game play.

ack-ack

[Scca]

Oh, I totally agree with you that both are a weak approach to the game.  I was saying they are different in two ways; one, the bomb-auger guy is taking a death, not a bail; and two, the bomb-bail thing seems simpler to code away: just remove the ability to bail from planes not critically damaged.

FYI For scoring KD, a bail = a death

[Kingpin]

I don't bail often because I'm usually shot down first!  

Now that's funny, because rumor has it it's the other guy who gets shot down.  

But thinking about how and when I might bail its usually for a specific reason....base alert, squad rolling a mission or country rolling a mission you want to be apart of.....or at home something has come up!, and you just gotta go! <S>

I just don't subscribe to the "I found something better to do" reason to bail.  What about the other guy who upped to intercept and just spent 20 minutes climbing and chasing?  Bailing wastes his time and denies him the valuable opportunity learn "you simply don't attack Trip-Nines' bombers from dead six".

If you need to quit for real life issues, that's what AltF4 is for.

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Ryno

[Bruv119]

it's not just bombers that do this.    I've had typhoons do this right infront of me eh zack!   

[BnZs]

Having it done to me 10 times in a row in a single sortie isn't the definition of having experienced it infrequently.  I just don't let it bother me is all nor do I believe there should be any penalty imposed on those doing it as any penalty will most likely have a negative effect on the over all game play.

ack-ack

A small perk charge for all ord, returnable upon RTB, would tend to motivate people to RTB I believe.

EDIT: Would motivate them to RTB whether their run be bomber or jabo.

[Kingpin]

FYI For scoring KD, a bail = a death

I think it affects perks, not score, if I remember correctly.  Luche addressed this in a recent thread on this topic specifically and I'll defer to his expertise on the subject.

To Ack-Ack and Wiley:  I'm not lobbying for a penalty (per the OPs suggestion).  I'm suggesting the removal of Enter x 3 to bail until you have sustained critical damage.  

Yes, that can be gamed as well, by intentionally breaking your plane or augering, but that takes time and is not as easy and virtually instantaneous as pressing Enter.

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Ryno

p.s. I do like the perked ords idea as well.  Ords have a significant impact on the game (and how others can play), therefore they should be worth something to limit their abuse (such as suicide jabo).

[Wiley]

Yes, that can be gamed as well, by intentionally breaking your plane or augering, but that takes time and is not as easy and virtually instantaneous as pressing Enter.

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Ryno

I just don't think the difference in time between 3x Enter and either overspeed and wingrip and bail or lawndart is worth the consideration.  Just MHO.

Wiley.

[zack1234]

it's not just bombers that do this.    I've had typhoons do this right infront of me eh zack!   

 

[Kingpin]

I just don't think the difference in time between 3x Enter and either overspeed and wingrip and bail or lawndart is worth the consideration.  Just MHO.

Wiley.

I'm not sure I agree.  I may have to test this offline.  What's the fastest you can go from level flight bomb-bay doors open, to losing your drones and THEN inflict critical damage to your remaining bomber?  (If you do it with intact drones, bailing just puts you into another bomber you need to break.)  An intercepting fighter may be able to close to proxy range by then, no?

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Ryno

[Wiley]

I'm not sure I agree.  I may have to test this offline.  What's the fastest you can go from level flight bomb-bay doors open, to losing your drones and THEN inflict critical damage to your remaining bomber?  (If you do it with intact drones, bailing just puts you into another bomber you need to break.)  An intercepting fighter may be able to close to proxy range by then, no?

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Ryno

Wouldn't think it would be more than 20 seconds.  Deep dive away from the fighter, outrun drones about the time the wings depart.

Wiley.

[Zoney]

Much ado about nothing.

I had 213 kills last month, so that is how much I play.  I hunt bombers a lot.  I had maybe 1 or 2 bail all of last month.  I've had more than that bail in a month, I've had less.

I don't bother to worry about that much.  I know I won, they know I won, good enough for what we have to work with.  Tweaking the system to "punish" these few offenders will unfortunately negatively impact those that play with class so, no, let's not.

[jamusta]

hey Hey no talking about my squad.. For those that dont know cmex he only flies the tempest because they complained about him being in a nikki. so to get even more of a reaction from folks he now flies the temp.. i find it funny

[John Galt]

The bomb and bail post again?

[1Cane]

Bombers are my favorite target!  Last night in one sortie I got five kills off of bomb and  bail characters.  I really appreciate the kills but I seriously doubt I would have got all five without receiving damage.