Words simply fail me

[USRanger]

I am not trying to defend the soldiers or comments here. People sometimes do stupid stuff, especially when in a group. I don't believe any great disrespect was intended. We have to remember serving in the armed forces is stressful at times and these are only young adults who are dealing with crap most will never experience.

The are in the Wisconsin National Guard, about as stressful as working at McDonald's.  Today's soldiers make me sick with the stupid things they do and get away with that would have been unspeakable up until the recent past.
I'm glad I'm out now.  I don't have anything in common with these Generation X(box) soldiers that have it too easy nowadays to begin with.  I'm proud to have been the last generation of soldiers that had to spit shine boots, etc.



I would LOVE to take this airman's face and slam it into that wall 10 or so times.  I don't care what anyone says, today's military is garbage to what it was even 10 years ago, personnel-wise (with exceptions of course).

[Puma44]

I am not trying to defend the soldiers or comments here. People sometimes do stupid stuff, especially when in a group. I don't believe any great disrespect was intended. We have to remember serving in the armed forces is stressful at times and these are only young adults who are dealing with crap most will never experience.

It's still no excuse for a basic lack of respect and consideration for those who served and sacrificed well before her time.  The fact that she even considered doing this shows her true lack of character.

[guncrasher]

you guys act as if things like this just started happening in the last couple of years.

you remember the american flag being burned?  kids throwing dog crap on returning soldiers at airports?  kids asking how many babies did you kill?  some are really proud they did that to this day.

-we have had caskets being used to transport drugs.
-pows crawling out of their beds to lay down on their own graves because they saw their own how they treated the dead.
-kids going to war and coming back as double veterans.


crap like this has being going own since the beginning of time.  stupidity is not new, it's just old.

the only reason we hear more about it now, is because of the internet.  so go on and bash the new generation and forget that the one you belong to really didnt do things different.  only difference is the pictures arent circulating as fast.


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[Puma44]

Way to drive the tread off into the ditch, Mr. Obvious.   

[Triton28]

Oh I well know Triton never served but my question was directed towards him pointedly. It should not have been quoted by another.

The Flag, let alone a flag draped coffin, has special significance in the military family. Both active, retired, and veteran. It should to the entire country, and to many it does, but lets face it. To many it doesnt. Hell you can even burn the thing legally. On a military base a Military member can be arrested just for not stopping and showing proper protocol when its being raised or lowered. Even if your in a car. On ANY Military base by ANY military member of ANY military service.

So anybody serving, like my son and the kids of many in AH, or have served, know this far more then those who havnt. And anyone who would post this  Clearly hasnt. My question was rhetorical. Because it doesnt matter where in Hell it happened at, Arlington, Wisconsin, Afghanistan, or the damn moon. Its all the same.

I dont want to see these people get crushed but they have clearly lost the right to wear the uniform.

Rank or DD-214 have nothing to do with my opinion of this photo. 

Believe it or not, it's a part of my job to help honor and serve veterans and their families.  Is my opinion more valid now? 

   



 

 

[Triton28]

The are in the Wisconsin National Guard, about as stressful as working at McDonald's.

Maybe or maybe not.  The honor guard I'm most familiar with in my area stays very busy with services and does a good bit of traveling to get to many of them.  It's not digging ditches but it's not exactly easy. 

[Rich46yo]

Rank or DD-214 have nothing to do with my opinion of this photo. 

Believe it or not, it's a part of my job to help honor and serve veterans and their families.  Is my opinion more valid now? 

It was always valid. I just didnt agree with it. And no it is no more valid now then it was then.

The sniveling about the "piss ant civilian" comment did get to me tho. I never did call you a piss ant civilian nor should you take it any more personal then I do with the picture of the piss ant 3 striper USAF Bimbo "dissing" the MIA sign, while in the service I belonged to, and the one my son is in right now. I do hope she is now a 2 striper but would probably have 12 special interest groups lining up to prevent that.

So I will add a touch of humility to this story. Ever since I was in I kept up on Military hardware, its capability, and the awesome destructive power of the American military machine. I too watched in fascination as CNN showed the videos of our troops dismantling a tyrants army, how we thumped the Taliban in Afcrapistan. Then I was in a forum once talking up these capabilities when a father who lost a son in Iraq posted his story, about his Loss, and what it meant for him and his family.

And I felt shame. Shame for my knowledge, and my bragging, and my pride, and those videos. And now with my boy in...........God what would I be feeling were I that man and his family? If my boy was in one of those flag draped coffins.....

So I dont participate in defense forums anymore. Or I focus more on History then current adventures, "which I distrust more and more". Every time I want to crow about our shiny new toys I remember that man and his loss and I dont want to feel that shame again. I never felt worry about my own safety in all the crap Ive been in but I dont want to see these kids ever have to fight and die again. Nor will I tolerate the very symbol of their sacrifice disrespected.

So theres My humble moment. And thank you for your service to our veterans and their families. 

   



 

 

[mthrockmor]

Guncrasher, I get to see your dismissive tone daily on the policy end of public education. Sadly, it is a default 'can't win so just accept.' The opposite of your attitude is transformational in some of the worst public schools in America.

Simply hard data tells us two things: One, yes boorish behavior has gone on for a long time. Two, it has gotten dramatically worse in so many measurable ways.

If you were the leader of any organization I would fire you immediately upon the completion of your sentence and put someone in place who would set high standards and demand that those engaged in the endeavor meet them. And simple dictates of leadership mean that most of them would meet the "new," higher standards.

You are flat out wrong!

[wpeters]

Guncrasher, I get to see your dismissive tone daily on the policy end of public education. Sadly, it is a default 'can't win so just accept.' The opposite of your attitude is transformational in some of the worst public schools in America.

Simply hard data tells us two things: One, yes boorish behavior has gone on for a long time. Two, it has gotten dramatically worse in so many measurable ways.

If you were the leader of any organization I would fire you immediately upon the completion of your sentence and put someone in place who would set high standards and demand that those engaged in the endeavor meet them. And simple dictates of leadership mean that most of them would meet the "new," higher standards.

You are flat out wrong!

+1    The lack of respect is to the principles of our Country come not enough strong Leadership..  I think to many forget that it is spose to be lonely at the top.

[Shifty]

The are in the Wisconsin National Guard, about as stressful as working at McDonald's.  Today's soldiers make me sick with the stupid things they do and get away with that would have been unspeakable up until the recent past.
I'm glad I'm out now.  I don't have anything in common with these Generation X(box) soldiers that have it too easy nowadays to begin with.  I'm proud to have been the last generation of soldiers that had to spit shine boots, etc.

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I would LOVE to take this airman's face and slam it into that wall 10 or so times.  I don't care what anyone says, today's military is garbage to what it was even 10 years ago, personnel-wise (with exceptions of course).

What a damn disgrace. I'd like to rip her chevrons off and send her butt along with those in the honor guard to drive supply trucks up and down the roads of Afghanistan.
Stupid just friggin stupid.

[guncrasher]

Guncrasher, I get to see your dismissive tone daily on the policy end of public education. Sadly, it is a default 'can't win so just accept.' The opposite of your attitude is transformational in some of the worst public schools in America.

Simply hard data tells us two things: One, yes boorish behavior has gone on for a long time. Two, it has gotten dramatically worse in so many measurable ways.

If you were the leader of any organization I would fire you immediately upon the completion of your sentence and put someone in place who would set high standards and demand that those engaged in the endeavor meet them. And simple dictates of leadership mean that most of them would meet the "new," higher standards.

You are flat out wrong!

you assume that that I dont find those pictures disgusting.  actually I do.  and if it was up to me I would most definitely find a way to humiliate them so perhaps they understand  a little better what they did.

on the other hand, I hate the "this generation is going down the trash" wagon.  when I was growing up they used to say that about my generation, and I bet the said the same thing about my parents generation.  and prior to that it was my grandparents generation that was going down the toilet.

idiots doing something that is embarrassing to our men in uniform has been going on since day one.  it isnt something new that was just started a few years ago.  that is what I am referring to.  this "in my generation we all respected...." is just bs.  every generation has always has idiots that will do something they think it's funny but in reality they should have their butts kicked for it.

and for sure I am not wrong about this.


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[rpm]

on the other hand, I hate the "this generation is going down the trash" wagon.  when I was growing up they used to say that about my generation, and I bet the said the same thing about my parents generation.  and prior to that it was my grandparents generation that was going down the toilet.

You have to consider they may have been right.

[guncrasher]

You have to consider they may have been right.

well considering that I dont do the things my parents did.  I would probably say they are wrong.


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[Anodizer]

I find it rather amusing.... 
"We put the FUN in FUNERAL!!"  C'mon, that's hilarious!!

A few of you are taking things like this as well as yourselves a bit too seriously....
And I find that amusing as well..   

[Anodizer]

I find it rather amusing.... 
"We put the FUN in FUNERAL!!"  C'mon, that's hilarious!!

A few of you are taking things like this as well as yourselves a bit too seriously....
And I find that amusing as well..   

Also, the military has a pretty bad sexual assault/rape problem..  And you're worried about this??